Hi guys I have a 1986 Fj 1200 stripped down deciding what to powder coat/ paint and what to get polished.
I have a chance to buy a 1991 Fj 1200 in good running condition with low mileage .
I need to know are the following parts compatible from 91 to 86
Engine
Front forks into 86 yokes
Front brake clutch masters
Rear brake master
Rear shock
These parts on the 86 are mostly past it and I'd save a fortune if they would swop over.
The reason I want to go from 91 to 86 is that I've owned the 1986 since 2000 and the plastics are in perfect condition and I want to keep the red and white paint.
Thanks in advance.
I don't have a 91. But I think the only thing that won't fit on the list is the rear shock. You can use the Honda F4i shock. I got a clean low mileage shock resprung it. With an Eibach 900lb spring. (The heaviest that you can use stock valving) all for $160 including the tools, and the collar for the respring.. May not be as good as Randy's shock. Or even a penske.. But way better than stock shocks. And cheap.
Dan is correct about the rear shock, the shock length changed for the 89/90 and again for the 91+ years. The 91+ also has rubber engine mounts so that might be a detail to attend to. It might be as simple as swapping the lower frame rails over. Then the 86 will have less vibration. All the other parts will swap over, you will need to use the 91 front brake calipers with the 91 forks, the 86 calipers will not bolt on. The masters are all the same.
Assuming the 91 is a 3xw you need to drill out the rear lower engine mounts to accept the 86 engine mounts.
Jeff
Yep, the oem shocks suck, regardless of the year. That is a very good offer from Dan. :good:
The lower shock mounts are different between the early ('84-87) and late ('89-93) model FJ's The early mounts are an eye and late mounts a clevis.
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
The 91+ also has rubber engine mounts so that might be a detail to attend to. It might be as simple as swapping the lower frame rails over. Then the 86 will have less vibration.
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 08:53:42 AM
Dan is correct about the rear shock, the shock length changed for the 89/90 and again for the 91+ years. The 91+ also has rubber engine mounts so that might be a detail to attend to. It might be as simple as swapping the lower frame rails over. Then the 86 will have less vibration. All the other parts will swap over, you will need to use the 91 front brake calipers with the 91 forks, the 86 calipers will not bolt on. The masters are all the same.
The 3xw frame and motor mount locations are very different as are the lower frame rails.....no interchange. The 3xw frame is wider and heavier.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....
Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....
Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??
(popcorn)
Quote from: giantkiller on March 03, 2016, 07:08:31 AM
I don't have a 91. But I think the only thing that won't fit on the list is the rear shock. You can use the Honda F4i shock. I got a clean low mileage shock resprung it. With an Eibach 900lb spring. (The heaviest that you can use stock valving) all for $160 including the tools, and the collar for the respring.. May not be as good as Randy's shock. Or even a penske.. But way better than stock shocks. And cheap.
I guess it sounds like a sales pitch. But $160 is what I have into the F4i shock I'm using.
Not for sale @ this time. I am working on putting r1 Swingarms on the 1350 and the Turbo bike. But will probably give the Honda shock to my brother, or my nephew.
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....
Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??
Here ya go laddie... right next door: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=14894.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=14894.0)
The '91+ rubber mounted FJ's are much smoother than the early ones
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
Here ya go laddie... right next door: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=14894.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=14894.0)
The '91+ rubber mounted FJ's are much smoother than the early ones
Not helping Pat!!! :dash2: :dash2: :dash2: No room, no money, and did I say no money?
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on March 03, 2016, 09:01:04 AM
Negative my simian friend, the lower frame rails are different....
Well crap!! The down side of owning only two FJs 86 & 89.... Maybe I need a Pink stripe to match my fading Red textile jacket??
I think this is actually the deal of the century if both bikes run well as advertized.
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0)
FJmonkey, The 1100 is even the correct colors that you have mentioned. Now you would have one each of every generation.... :good2:
Maybe even get with Cap'n Ron and do a fly and ride with you for a shake down run down the coast......And have Derek and Donna meet you guys at the airport.
Fred
Quote from: aviationfred on March 03, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
I think this is actually the deal of the century if both bikes run well as advertized.
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0)
FJmonkey, The 1100 is even the correct colors that you have mentioned. Now you would have one each of every generation.... :good2:
Maybe even get with Cap'n Ron and do a fly and ride with you for a shake down run down the coast......And have Derek and Donna meet you guys at the airport.
Fred
Not helping Fred!!! :dash2: :dash2: :dash2: No room, no money, and did I say no money?
Thanks for the help guys . I'm still trying to figure out how to get pics from photo bucket to here but I will persevere or wait till the son gets home from college .
You can't believe how badly I want to ride this bike again. This forum is a big part of why I started into this restoration keep up the good work. :good:
Quote from: Bandit650 on March 03, 2016, 01:28:56 PM
Thanks for the help guys . I'm still trying to figure out how to get pics from photo bucket to here
Pull up the pic on Photobucket, and click on the image file to copy it.
Then paste the image file into your post wherever you want it to appear.
I commented, but didn't answer your original question..... :flag_of_truce: Had to have a bit of fun with the monkey first. :rofl:
As stated by earlier,
Everything you listed will swap directly over from the '91 to your '86 except for the rear shock.
But,
The main reason is not the height difference, it is that the '91 shock's lower attach point is a clevis and your '86 shock uses an eye style attach point.
Fred
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 03, 2016, 12:06:25 PM
Quote from: aviationfred on March 03, 2016, 11:43:42 AM
I think this is actually the deal of the century if both bikes run well as advertized.
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=15149.0)
FJmonkey, The 1100 is even the correct colors that you have mentioned. Now you would have one each of every generation.... :good2:
Maybe even get with Cap'n Ron and do a fly and ride with you for a shake down run down the coast......And have Derek and Donna meet you guys at the airport.
Fred
Not helping Fred!!! :dash2: :dash2: :dash2: No room, no money, and did I say no money?
It's so hard to be a fashionista simian insearch of haute couture.
Quote from: aviationfred on March 03, 2016, 01:35:29 PM
I commented, but didn't answer your original question..... :flag_of_truce: Had to have a bit of fun with the monkey first. :rofl:
As stated by earlier,
Everything you listed will swap directly over from the '91 to your '86 except for the rear shock.
But,
The main reason is not the height difference, it is that the '91 shock's lower attach point is a clevis and your '86 shock uses an eye style attach point.
Fred
Thanks Fred
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The son came home from college and loaded up a link to photo bucket in the form of a slide show in the previous post ,well it's not ideal but it's progress ya know what kids are like always in a hurry.
Anyway that's the bike bit of a mess but I have a vision.
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I think I have finally figured this out' :dash2:
Reminds me of a story...
When I was a young lad, around 10' ish, we had guests over for Thanksgiving dinner. My dad's college friend and his wife. My dad's friend was a well known Thoracic surgeon named Glen. My dad said, "Pat, why don't you do the honors and carve the turkey, show Glen your technique..."
So with meticulously sharpened set of carving knives, I proceeded to carefully slice up the bird.
My mom said, "Glen, look at Pat, look at his cuts, wouldn't he make a fine surgeon?"
Glen replied, "Mary, do you have any sewing thread?
Mom said, "Sure why do you ask?"
Glen explained, "To answer your question, I want to see how he puts the bird back together."
My point: Disassembly is easy. The true test is to see how you put it back together. Did you take pictures? Baggie and label all your bolts?
i know the look of that shed. I wish I had been a meticulous as Pat with labeling and bagging thing. my one saving grace was that i had another FJ to use as a road map for reassembly. But persevere. It is totally worth it.
From This - This was half way through tear down.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/7/4336_08_12_14_3_37_47.jpeg)
To This - And so much fun in between.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/9/4336_06_09_15_2_22_55_7.jpeg)
Yes Pat everything is bagged and tagged and bike came with a comprehensive owners manual nothing left to chance. How did you get on stitching the bird back together.
Bandit, that's awesome! Good luck with your build!
Yes, Bandito...awesome! :good:
That's the best way to get to know your new machine, is to do what you're doing.
Examine everything.
We all had a good laugh. Didn't even consider reassembling the bird. (meat was cooked tender, sutures would not hold)
My dad said something like, "Well, at least there is always the Medical Examiner's office....."
Good times. Great parents.
This is what I'm sending to get powder coated satin black
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This is what inspired me another members bike.. Love the black on this
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This is what I'm going to get polished
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Quote from: Bandit650 on March 06, 2016, 01:26:37 PM
This is what I'm going to get polished
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^^^Polish the lower triple clamp and throw the rest away^^^^.
Consider the 17" rim conversion, seriously. Those 16's oem rims are narrow and pig heavy. Don't waste your time and effort on those rims.
Consider the '89+ FJ fork lowers. You can then use the superior R-1 monoblock blue spots like the picture shows and the 17" front rim.
You will be much happier with modern 17" rubber on your bike...and better brakes :good2:
Well Pat I've been seriously considering all the usual modifications you guys are doing but I'm going to go stock for now . Reason been polishing here is cheap and other than a set of tires that I can get here for reasonable money most of the other stuff is serviceable , which means I can get the bike back on the road where it should be and tackle the mods at a more leisurely pace while still enjoying the bike and do it right ,while pushing the budget out a couple more years.
You have to keep in mind Pat that here in Ireland were coming out of a pretty serious recession and I work in construction that took a pretty bad hammering.
Quote from: Urban_Legend on March 04, 2016, 04:12:21 PM
i know the look of that shed. I wish I had been a meticulous as Pat with labeling and bagging thing. my one saving grace was that i had another FJ to use as a road map for reassembly. But persevere. It is totally worth it.
From This - This was half way through tear down.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/7/4336_08_12_14_3_37_47.jpeg)
To This - And so much fun in between.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/9/4336_06_09_15_2_22_55_7.jpeg)
Only an Fj owner would appreciate what has gone into that end result.. Bike looks great
That's a nice part of the country your in, spent a few years in Mt Newman WA as a child all I remember is red dust.
Spent a while yesterday pushing out bearings got them all out without too much trouble but then came the swing arm bearings.
Knocked out the needles and internals with a drift which just left the bearing casing in the swingarm.
Went on to the forum and Internet looking for easiest solution. I think the post about heating the area sounded the easiest to me . Went back out to the shed but my blowtorch was empty.
It's then I thought of the welder. It's a diy stick welder and I can weld two things together sufficiently but it's never pretty.
I put two lumps of weld opposite each other inside the bearing casings and used the heat generated to nicely push out the casing with a socket and extension that just fitted into the shaft but not past the welds.
Couldn't believe how nicely they pushed out using a home made press that I bought recently .(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/6F1184B6-9249-42DD-A681-1D5DF302EAD0_zpsvh6w8ace.jpg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/6F1184B6-9249-42DD-A681-1D5DF302EAD0_zpsvh6w8ace.jpg.html)
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Very good Bandito! :good2:
Several FJ folks have reported using this same technique to remove the (pesky) lower race of the steering stem bearings.
I tackled the rear master cylinder which was siezed tight. Drilled a pilot hole in the plunger and drove in a 100mm screw. Tapped the end of the screw with a hammer to get the plunger moving which it did and then yanked on the screw with the claws of the hammer to drag it out. "Voila" job done left with a perfectly serviceable part awaiting rebuild kit.(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/5257F9DA-BF1B-41FB-8738-887F97823891_zpslnyganzk.jpg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/5257F9DA-BF1B-41FB-8738-887F97823891_zpslnyganzk.jpg.html)(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/85A84670-DC99-4F83-8EC7-6594D2562878_zpshgga0wuk.jpg)[/URL[URL=http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/31B8057B-A9BB-419A-AAD6-6456193A1451_zpsvwi0ivjv.jpg.html](http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/31B8057B-A9BB-419A-AAD6-6456193A1451_zpsvwi0ivjv.jpg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/85A84670-DC99-4F83-8EC7-6594D2562878_zpshgga0wuk.jpg.html)(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/BE01D231-3D12-4608-9239-8CA5B3043731_zpsbc7iwk1x.jpg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/BE01D231-3D12-4608-9239-8CA5B3043731_zpsbc7iwk1x.jpg.html)(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/7DC42B81-1CA9-49B4-8A3D-E3057554FECE_zpsrare5sbv.jpg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/7DC42B81-1CA9-49B4-8A3D-E3057554FECE_zpsrare5sbv.jpg.html)
Update... Waiting for frame and wheels to come back from powdercoat and polish ,cleaned up some body parts. It's hard to believe this is all original paint , there is 60000 miles on this bike it's a testament to the quality of the original build.(http://i1073.photobucket.com/albums/w393/stephen_kelly3/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/2AC2EF47-5E06-4497-B68A-9F5CF6FEE109_zpssct5b4i5.jpg) (http://s1073.photobucket.com/user/stephen_kelly3/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-03/2AC2EF47-5E06-4497-B68A-9F5CF6FEE109_zpssct5b4i5.jpg.html)
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Awesome, I am dying to rebuild my '86 and get her back on the road. This is not helping, keep up the good work. :good2:
Out with the old in with the new.
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Picked up this cbr600 F4i Shock this morning at a bike breakers in Dublin.
Full working guarantee and they were having a 20% sale today only ,got it for €60 ($70).
HAPPY DAYS!!!