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Title: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Sabre093 on September 08, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
I've read somewhere we as FJ'ers who have done 17" conversions we can put a R6 side stand on to retain proper lean when we park....anyone seen this mod?
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 08, 2015, 08:05:26 PM
I have not heard of this. I would like to learn more.
Yes, with the back end raised, something needs to be done.
Here's what I did: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=4326.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=4326.0)

Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Urban_Legend on September 08, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
Hi. Was was given this advice from someone on the FJ Facebook group, but haven't tried it yet.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 08, 2015, 08:35:52 PM
The R6 was introduced in 1999 so we have many models to choose from....Mark, can you narrow down a year (or a range of years) for us?
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Urban_Legend on September 08, 2015, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 08, 2015, 08:35:52 PM
The R6 was introduced in 1999 so we have many models to choose from....Mark, can you narrow down a year (or a range of years) for us?
Hi Pat. I have copied this from Facebook

Hi Mark to overcome the too-short-side-stand-problem you could use an R6 side stand which is easy to adapt.
Thanks for that Peter Schneider. Any particular year?
Hello Mark Lowe - anyone of them will do.
That is the only info I have
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 08, 2015, 09:16:53 PM
Ok, thanks Mark!  I'll check it out...off to FleaBay I go....
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 12, 2015, 05:20:54 PM
Thanks. I just bought one too. Will see if it fits when I get it next week.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Urban_Legend on September 22, 2015, 07:02:32 AM
Is there any updates on how the R6 stand fitted?
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 22, 2015, 07:09:05 AM
I received it yesterday evening. Will try very soon and tell you guys how it went.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 22, 2015, 03:11:36 PM
Job done. Takes about 10 minutes to swap them. The R6 stand fits fine.
It's about 2 centimeters longer than the old one.
The spring still bounces back, which sucks. Wished FJ had a better solution for that.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Urban_Legend on September 22, 2015, 03:19:19 PM
Will have to put one on my shopping list.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Dads_FJ on September 22, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: ezunix on September 22, 2015, 07:09:05 AM
I received it yesterday evening. Will try very soon and tell you guys how it went.

What year is the R6 side stand from that you received?

This is gold I tell ya...
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 22, 2015, 03:42:05 PM
Quote from: Dads_FJ on September 22, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
Quote from: ezunix on September 22, 2015, 07:09:05 AM
I received it yesterday evening. Will try very soon and tell you guys how it went.

What year is the R6 side stand from that you received?

This is gold I tell ya...

It's from YZF R6 - 2001 model.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 23, 2015, 12:50:31 AM
A quick check on the Yamaha part # shows the same sidestand from 1999-2002 on the R-6's

Does the FJ side stand switch work with these side stands?
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 23, 2015, 01:58:07 AM
Don't know, sorry. I don't have one on my 86' FJ1100.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: jo-sommer on September 24, 2015, 02:00:19 AM
I'll check that on my '92 3YA; have just ordered the R6 side stand yesterday which should arrive today or tomorrow.

Will post pics and info.

Cheers Jo
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: rktmanfj on September 28, 2015, 04:38:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 23, 2015, 12:50:31 AM
A quick check on the Yamaha part # shows the same sidestand from 1999-2002 on the R-6's

Does the FJ side stand switch work with these side stands?

Not without some modification... the little sheet metal part that makes the switch is not on the R6 stand

(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/1990%20FJ1200%20project/R6%20side%20stand/2015-09-28%2016.13.29_zps2zdprpvz.jpg)

It's only welded on the back side, so it should'nt be hard to move over to the R6 piece:

(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/1990%20FJ1200%20project/R6%20side%20stand/2015-09-28%2017.16.42_zps7z3nqspc.jpg)

The hook for the sidestand is reversed to the FJ stand, so while we're welding, might as well turn it around.  Using the FJ spring worked out better for me than the R6 stuff.  Since I'm going to have to repaint (or powder coat) the thing anyway, I'll also buzz off the R6 stop bumper, since it doesn't work for the FJ.

(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/1990%20FJ1200%20project/R6%20side%20stand/2015-09-28%2017.27.02_zpsgih9oulv.jpg)

How much difference does it make?  About this much:

Before:

(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/1990%20FJ1200%20project/R6%20side%20stand/2015-09-28%2015.50.48_zpsvednc155.jpg)

After:

(http://i643.photobucket.com/albums/uu159/rktmanfj/1990%20FJ1200%20project/R6%20side%20stand/2015-09-28%2016.48.33_zpscezmxhcm.jpg)



Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: TexasDave on September 28, 2015, 04:51:08 PM
Thanks for the great pics and write up. Is it worth the trouble and are you happy with it?  Dave
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 28, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
That metal piece must be on newer bikes only. I don't have that on my FJ1100 from 85'.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: rktmanfj on September 28, 2015, 06:06:56 PM
Quote from: ezunix on September 28, 2015, 05:16:57 PM
That metal piece must be on newer bikes only. I don't have that on my FJ1100 from 85'.

Mine is an '89 (3CV).


Quote from: TexasDave on September 28, 2015, 04:51:08 PM
Thanks for the great pics and write up. Is it worth the trouble and are you happy with it?  Dave


Well, I just did it a couple of hours ago, but I think it's worthwhile.

I have the YZF600r 17" rear wheel conversion that I did a few years ago, and shortened dogbones (rear wheel 1/4" off the deck when on the centerstand).  I never had done anything with the side stand, though, just suffering with it until now.  The R6 stand only moves it a few degrees, but it's much more in line with where it originally was.

I'm going to get another R6 stand to have modded and prettied up, then I'll do up the one in the pics and put it on my project bike.  Until it gets here, it'll work as-is.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: jo-sommer on September 29, 2015, 06:15:50 AM
Have just checked this item and made exactly the same experience.

The R6 stand is about 1" longer, so the bike is app 5° steeper on the sidestand. This, IMO, makes some difference and 'feels' better.

There is some welding and grinding to do to make it fit, as mentionned above.

The front stop bumper of the R6 stand has to be grinded off to make the stand move forward about 5° more, bike would roll over when parked nose down.

I also feel the R6 holder for the spring too weak to keep the stand up securely in bumpy curves. I will move it to the rear and about 5mm downwards when I'll do the welding.

Just need to find the time to go for it, could just do the quick check after receiving the stand yesterday.

Cheers Jo
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Urban_Legend on September 29, 2015, 10:58:25 PM
So, what I get from this is...... For early FJs pretty much a straight swap.  Later model FJs with side stand switch, will require a few little most, but not hard to do.

Correct?

Mark
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 29, 2015, 11:20:59 PM
Not correct. All FJ's have a side stand switch. Some owners have just removed them.

I like mine. It's how I turn off my engine. A good habit I've learned after dismounting and forgetting to put my side stand down (being tired and road stoned) When the engine is off, I know my side stand is down.

Now I just have to remember to not walk away from my bike leaving the key on...the headlight helps.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Urban_Legend on September 30, 2015, 12:03:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 29, 2015, 11:20:59 PM
Not correct. All FJ's have a side stand switch. Some owners have just removed them.

I like mine. It's how I turn off my engine. A good habit I've learned after dismounting and forgetting to put my side stand down (being tired and road stoned) When the engine is off, I know my side stand is down.

Now I just have to remember to not walk away from my bike leaving the key on...the headlight helps.

Hi Pat.
Most 1100's i have seen in Australia, don't have the stand switch, (no mounting point for it on mine) but i wish it did have the stand switch. I am paranoid about riding off with the stand down (i have done it once and narrowly averted disaster) I don't have the clutch lever switch either. No wires for either in the loom. I have been known to be wrong on many occasions though.

I do like the idea of this stand mod, as my bike has a huge lean on the stand and is hard to pick up to ride off.

Mark
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: oldktmdude on September 30, 2015, 01:32:59 AM
Quote from: Urban_Legend on September 30, 2015, 12:03:43 AM


Hi Pat.
Most 1100's i have seen in Australia, don't have the stand switch, (no mounting point for it on mine) but i wish it did have the stand switch. I am paranoid about riding off with the stand down (i have done it once and narrowly averted disaster) I don't have the clutch lever switch either. No wires for either in the loom. I have been known to be wrong on many occasions though.

I do like the idea of this stand mod, as my bike has a huge lean on the stand and is hard to pick up to ride off.


  On this occasion Mark, you are correct about the side stand switch not being on the early Aussie FJ's. I've had two 85's and neither of them ever had a stand switch on them or any provision for doing so. I presume our ADR's of the period did not require a stand switch to be fitted.
Regards, Pete.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 30, 2015, 10:59:30 AM
Thanks Mark and Pete, I didn't know this.

I wonder if the EU bikes had the switch? I know all the US bikes had one.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 30, 2015, 11:17:26 AM
As I already mentioned in the thread  : mine doesn't have one either.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 30, 2015, 11:44:03 AM
Yes you did, sorry, I assumed (incorrectly) you had yours removed....Looking at your pictures (again) I see no mounting points on your lower frame cradle for a switch.

Thanks again guys. I stand corrected. :flag_of_truce:
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: ezunix on September 30, 2015, 11:58:21 AM
No worries. Takes a real man to admit he was wrong.  :good2:
Actually I don't even have one on my 2002 V-rod.
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: fjfool on October 04, 2015, 09:06:26 AM
damn, thought i had an easy solution without any welding for the stand switch
maybe someone here can elaborate on my thought process as my solution will still require some welding
the r6 stand has an actuator for the switch, but it is on the inside of the stand
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: fjfool on October 04, 2015, 09:07:49 AM
so flip it?
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: fjfool on October 04, 2015, 09:10:28 AM
bend it:
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: fjfool on October 04, 2015, 09:14:24 AM
no pic here but, you need to fiddle with it to create a little arc shape so that it will ride on the switches plunger better
-so close...
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: fjfool on October 04, 2015, 09:20:09 AM
ok, insert tires skidding to a stop noise here
2 pics back, notice the allen bolt that holds the actuator to the stand on the backside of the stand
well, there is no clearance for it when you put the stand up- it hits the frame
i am pretty sure there is still room for the actuator without the bolt
there is no way i could weld that skinny piece of metal to that thick piece of stand, i will have to take it to a SKILLED welder
i do feel it will be easy as the bolt can hold the parts as they are tacked then either removed or welded in and ground off
if someone sees another path here, i would appreciate your input
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: fjfool on October 04, 2015, 09:30:28 AM
as it sits:
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: axiom-r on October 19, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
I need this mod for my FJ as she leans way too far over with the stock unit now....  is the R6 stand longer than the R1 unit?

I am going to look for some "samples" to work with....


tim
Title: Re: R6 Side Stand
Post by: markmartin on October 19, 2015, 03:22:16 PM
This may be an option for you.   It's still holding up after 2 years of use, and it's pretty easy to do. You'll love the grippy- softish feel when you set the bike down on the stand too.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=11468.msg113703#msg113703 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=11468.msg113703#msg113703)