Time to have a helmet cam running whenever you're on the bike. While things like this have been quite rare in the past, it seems to be happening more often now and days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZueHaDP4hU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZueHaDP4hU)
That's some crazy shit.
I probably would have really fucked up and kicked the dude.
When I can afford it, I'm definately buying one. It might help keep my defensive stance from exploding.
FJ's Forever :drinks:
JoBrCo
Yup. I mounted a cheap video cam to my helmet a few months ago.. A cool-cam s3000 from Walmart for about $65.00, plus an old photomount connector. People seem so much nicer when they notice the cam... Oh, and another reason to wear a helmet....
EPIC. Outstanding calm shown by rider & GF. Dude got seriously laid when they got home.
Latest information on this:
Update 07/16/15: I've been informed that on the day of the incident a police officer smelt alcohol on the mans breathe, when asked if he had been drinking he admitted to having 4-5 shots of whiskey prior. His full list of pending charged are as follows:
Disorderly Conduct x2
Endangerment x2
Threatening x2
Assault x2
DUI x1
The investigation is complete and has been forwarded to the state prosecution, I've been told it will take 30-90 days before he goes to court and/or is sentenced.
Nice!
Glad to see it worked out as it should have.
Quote from: pdxfj on July 20, 2015, 01:36:50 PM
....The investigation is complete and has been forwarded to the state prosecution, I've been told it will take 30-90 days before he goes to court and/or is sentenced.
In Ontario it would take a few weeks or months for arraignment, then another 2 years before it gets to trial. Unfortunately, it would probably be me in court not him. That little angel on my shoulder saying "Don't do it!" would have faded in the distance, with the inevitable thwack-thump that follows.
I've had a helmet cam for two years for filming day trips or vacations. If I wear it all the time now maybe that little angle can take a rest. If it enrages the asshole even more, well.... :good:
Can't do that here in Oz, fixing a cam to your helmet is illegal.
Quote from: krusty on July 20, 2015, 08:05:01 PM
Can't do that here in Oz, fixing a cam to your helmet is illegal.
In what state is this the case?
IF there actually is such a restriction, Has it ever been used to convict or fine anyone?
It was in NSW when I was a riding instructor, along with repainting or adding stickers. Any mods or alterations invalidate the Approval/Product Certification i.e. AS/NZ 1698. I would assume that this would apply in all states as it is a national certification but I could be wrong. If the helmet is modified in any way then the offense would be the wearing of a non approved helmet with the fine being same as if not wearing a helmet. Even removal of the approval AS/NZ1698 sticker would have the same effect. I don't know if its been tested (in court) and I'm not about to try.
Quote from: krusty on July 21, 2015, 01:02:22 AM
It was in NSW when I was a riding instructor, along with repainting or adding stickers. Any mods or alterations invalidate the Approval/Product Certification i.e. AS/NZ 1698. I would assume that this would apply in all states as it is a national certification but I could be wrong. If the helmet is modified in any way then the offense would be the wearing of a non approved helmet with the fine being same as if not wearing a helmet. Even removal of the approval AS/NZ1698 sticker would have the same effect. I don't know if its been tested (in court) and I'm not about to try.
The helmet laws (i.e with regards to helmet cams) is.being put to the test in Victoria now, after several riders had been fined for "not wearing a helmet" when the cams were attached to their helmets. There has been a big who har about it in Queensland too. You also have to be careful with the cams, because if you have been naughty, the cops can confiscate the and use them as evidence .
Mark
But for this rider. I think we will be my new hero. Great restraint not to smack the crap out of the idiot.
Mark
Quote from: Urban_Legend on July 21, 2015, 01:48:08 AM
Quote from: krusty on July 21, 2015, 01:02:22 AM
It was in NSW when I was a riding instructor, along with repainting or adding stickers. Any mods or alterations invalidate the Approval/Product Certification i.e. AS/NZ 1698. I would assume that this would apply in all states as it is a national certification but I could be wrong. If the helmet is modified in any way then the offense would be the wearing of a non approved helmet with the fine being same as if not wearing a helmet. Even removal of the approval AS/NZ1698 sticker would have the same effect. I don't know if its been tested (in court) and I'm not about to try.
The helmet laws (i.e with regards to helmet cams) is.being put to the test in Victoria now, after several riders had been fined for "not wearing a helmet" when the cams were attached to their helmets. There has been a big who har about it in Queensland too. You also have to be careful with the cams, because if you have been naughty, the cops can confiscate the and use them as evidence .
Mark
With the legalities about helmet cams being put to the test, don't bike cops wear cameras on their helmets already, so how can they fine you for wearing one when their doing the same thing.
Yes they do Bones. They wear tinted visors too which they have also been booking riders for, claiming they also invalidate the safety of the helmet.
Funny regulations there Down Under...
in Germany you would be fined for taking unauthorized footage/pictures of public areas and people who didn't agree to this in advance and the evidence wouldn't be accepted at Court. Same as dashcams...
But anyway, respect to this calm guy; if this would have been Happening to me, the fine for the unauthorized pictures would have been the minor part.
About three years ago I was on my way to work when I had to change the Autobahn; the exit had two lanes and I slowed down to queue in to the right.
A guy in a small Suzuki car with lots of tuning stickers etc. didn't like that; he passed me and pulled over when my front wheel was at the height of his rear wheel.
So I had to brake hard, just thinking "OK, one idiot...".
I left some space to his car following him through the exit, then we both pulled out to the left two lanes; still me following him at a speed of 80-90 km/h at a distance of app. 15-20 mtr. Noticeing he won't accelerate further I changed the lane to the full left one, accelerating to pass him. When he noticed this, he also started to accelerate, so I opened the throttle a bit more (Suzuki GSXR 1100, app. 195 hp...). As I started to pass him our eyes met in his left mirror, he started to grin and pulled over.
I had to evade to the grass, my knee scratched the guardrail to the opposite lanes at a Speed of 150 km/h. I managed to keep the rubber of my bike down and get back onto the lane.
The guy in his little car opened his throttle full and tried to get away....
My thoughts: I just filled up the tank, 250 kms range - let's go. I'll stop you and rip your head off before I sh... into your throat!
His Suzuki was running quite fast; at a speed of 190 km/h I noticed blue flashing lights behind me, thinking: damned bullshit, now I'll get fined for speeding instead of this idiot... so I pulled over to the right slowing down.
The cops passed me and followed him - I was totally surprised.
So I speeded up again, following the policecar. App. 2 km furtheron he pulled over to the right and stopped, the cops behind him and me behind the cops...
Two cops jumped out of the car, one pulling that little bastard out of his car and one rushed over to me, advising me to stay on the bike. He just said "WE'll take care of this idiot!".
I found out that they observed the whole thing from the beginning; I just didn't notice them. One of them has been on duty at the motorcycle division for 15 years; he told me my driving wasn't too bad staying on the bike in the green...
The Suzuki driver was a 19 year old Boy, upcoming testosterone without any brain... finally sentenced to a 5.000 Euro fine, 2 years confinement (on probation for 3 years) and the loss of his drivers license for 2 years with an obligation for a psychological assessment prior of claiming for getting it back.
btw, the attorney in this trial is also a biker, often together with that one cop. He told me that those road rage incidents are mostly not a matter of "young guns", 65% would be of an age of 40+ .
Cheers Jo
Given those rules, it almost sounds like the B-Ark landed in Australia. :mocking:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSid-p0Xlk0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSid-p0Xlk0)
Here we are hamstrung by insurance rates, but it sounds like you are being consumed by red tape and nanny state bureaucrats. Something increasingly annoying here also. If adding a camera invalidates the helmet, what about bluetooth comms? :scratch_one-s_head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_00bbE9oxQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_00bbE9oxQ)
Quote from: Urban_Legend on July 21, 2015, 01:48:08 AM
You also have to be careful with the cams, because if you have been naughty, the cops can confiscate the and use them as evidence .
Mark
I believe the cameras, like GPS's, can only be confiscated if they suspect it can provide incriminating evidence in the commission of a crime. That's my current understanding of it.
Noel
In Nevada, as far as I know, the police are exempt from most of the laws. They can use their computers while driving, can use their cell phones, and are not required, though are encouraged, to use their seat belts. The basis for this is that their duties require different behaviors that that of the general public. In the seat belt case, it was determined that a Police officer may have to exit his vehicle rapidly in the performance of his duty, therefore the law doesn't apply to him. Basically the same in regard to many other laws.
The helmet law in Nevada requires a helmet to be worn, and properly fastened. It doesn't require a DOT certified helmet, however, so many riders buy the cheap, mini, novelty helmets and wear them. Occasionally, someone will wear one of those strapped around a leg, which still follows the letter of the law. Doesn't mean that the Police won't find something to write up, just means that you can't be cited for not wearing a helmet..
Quote from: novaraptor on July 20, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
Yup. I mounted a cheap video cam to my helmet a few months ago.. A cool-cam s3000 from Walmart for about $65.00, plus an old photomount connector. People seem so much nicer when they notice the cam... Oh, and another reason to wear a helmet....
Not necessarily, if you're stupid enough not to wear a helmet you could probably screw it directly into your skull without doing any damage.
Noel
True that, Ribbert.., though what I meant was that the guy punching the rider in the helmet was another good reason to wear a helmet. Odd that you occasionally see or read about irate people actually punching into the helmet. In one of the videos I saw of this incident, you see the guy actually grab his hand immediately after the punch...
One thought I had was, if this were to happen to you and you were to fight back could you be charged with something?
My thoughts are if you are one of many people who wear gloves with re-enforced knuckles made from carbon fiber, plastic, etc would you be charged as well? You've got an advantage which amounts to wearing a set of brass knuckles on each hand...
Personally I would find it very difficult to keep the amount of restraint that was shown in the video. Shoving, assaulting a gal that was with me would be the end of any restraint I had..
Here in the states we are allowed by law to protect ourselves and others that are either unable or unwilling to protect them selves. Having protective gloves and other gear because you are on a motorcycle would not be an issue. Ones intent is the issue. An unprovoked attack to me means the defender has no time or reason to take the gloves off. This does not mean all will be well, this country is likely the most litigious in the world, but would a judge or jury fault you for wearing protective gloves and or protecting your self and others? :nea:
If you were already dressed in gear when assaulted, and you fought back, I don't think there would be a problem, since there wouldn't be obvious intent. If you were assaulted, then put on the helmet, gloves and boots and reengaged, I have little doubt that you could be charged. All though, if you left to do that, and then came back, you could be charged as the aggressor whether you changed to gear or not.. Better bar stool lawyers that I probably have the proper answer.. And yeah, he showed considerable restraint. On the original long video, there was at least one other rider that pulled up to assist. Things could have gone totally the other way in the press..
Oh, Monkey got his post in while I was typing this... Same same...
Many years ago, a car pulled out of a service station and actually hit the leg of my passenger (pushed the bike about a foot sideways). I didn't fall and once again in control of the bike returned to the service station where he'd gone back to.
I stopped the bike, determined that my passenger was OK (well, she said she was), took off my helmet intending to use it as a weapon. The car was there, but the driver had de-camped and hidden somewhere. I gave the car a couple of customizing kicks and left with smoke still pouring out my ears.
I'm amazed at the restraint of the rider in this video.