Can anyone tell me if 2004 blue dot calipers from FJR1300 will fit 1991 FJ 1200 legs
Thanks
An absolute bolt on.
what about 2005 blue dot calipers from FJR1300 will fit 1988 FJ 1200 legs
Thanks
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 21, 2015, 08:13:49 AM
what about 2005 blue dot calipers from FJR1300 will fit 1988 FJ 1200 legs
Thanks
If your FJ came with a 17" front wheel, they are a direct bolt on.
I bought the 2005 blue dot calipers from FJR1300 off ebay
is the 2006 2007 2008 2009 Yamaha Fazer FZ1 Front Brake Master Cylinder the best option if you do not want plastic bottle, what are the differences
My cheap chinese rotors have warped after 6 months should i buy ebc rotor from us
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 21, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
...is the 2006 2007 2008 2009 Yamaha Fazer FZ1 Front Brake Master Cylinder the best option if you do not want plastic bottle, what are the differences
I don't know if the '06-09 FZ1 m/c are 14mm.....I do know the FZ1 '01-02 are (14mm) and I have those on 3 bikes and they work bitchen.
Looking at the online microfische: http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/yamaha/YP-5DM-W2587-01-00.html (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/yamaha/YP-5DM-W2587-01-00.html)
I see the '03-06 FZ1 m/c are also on the '03 FJR1300 so they may be a 15mm piston in the m/c
Your 5/8"oem m/c is equivalent to a 16mm, so a 15mm will be a bit better, but a 14mm will be better still.
14mm m/c IMHO work best with the blue spots. Although I have not tried the Nissin radial m/c
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 21, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
I bought the 2005 blue dot calipers from FJR1300 off ebay
is the 2006 2007 2008 2009 Yamaha Fazer FZ1 Front Brake Master Cylinder the best option if you do not want plastic bottle, what are the differences
My cheap chinese rotors have warped after 6 months should i buy ebc rotor from us
The Arashi (cheap Chinese) rotors seem to work really well. I installed a set in May of 2012 and put over 17 thousand miles on them with no issues. Several other members are also using them with good results.
Gold dot callipers from 2012 FZ8. Looks better then blue :biggrin:
It looks like all gold/blue will fit directly.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/8/4406_21_04_15_10_26_02.jpeg)
Quote from: Pat Conlon on April 21, 2015, 10:56:29 AM
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 21, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
...is the 2006 2007 2008 2009 Yamaha Fazer FZ1 Front Brake Master Cylinder the best option if you do not want plastic bottle, what are the differences
I don't know if the '06-09 FZ1 m/c are 14mm.....I do know the FZ1 '01-02 are (14mm) and I have those on 3 bikes and they work bitchen.
Looking at the online microfische: http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/yamaha/YP-5DM-W2587-01-00.html (http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/yamaha/YP-5DM-W2587-01-00.html)
I see the '03-06 FZ1 m/c are also on the '03 FJR1300 so they may be a 15mm piston in the m/c
Your 5/8"oem m/c is equivalent to a 16mm, so a 15mm will be a bit better, but a 14mm will be better still.
14mm m/c IMHO work best with the blue spots. Although I have not tried the Nissin radial m/c
Pat, I run the brembo radial maaster off of an R1 (same as 05+ R6) on my YZF600 mated to 01 R6 calipers (blue dot).
Comparing the radial (16iirc)cbrembo to the14mm master I ran before I noted similar if not slightly improved power, less (no) fade and greatly increased feel. I tend to ride the front wheel of a bike and trail break heavily.
With the 14mm masters I would get fade on a long hard run and it was difficult to 'feel' what the front wheel was doing on long fast sweepers. with the radial I get no fade and I cn pretty much tell you what quarry the aggregate in the pavement came from....
The 5/8 master that was stock on my YZF mated to the blue dots was terrible. It basically felt like I was squeezing wood blocks. The brakes had plenty power, but absolutely no feel. There were several cases where I slipped the front wheel on corner entry because I could not feel what was going on until too late.
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 21, 2015, 10:10:05 AM
I bought the 2005 blue dot calipers from FJR1300 off ebay
is the 2006 2007 2008 2009 Yamaha Fazer FZ1 Front Brake Master Cylinder the best option if you do not want plastic bottle, what are the differences
My cheap chinese rotors have warped after 6 months should i buy ebc rotor from us
I bought the whole front brake system from a 2005 FJR 1300, the master cylinder is a 14 mm. I have no complaints with the performance of the front brakes with OEM pads.
Joe
Just when I think I'm done modifying this bike..... :diablo:
Thank you Bill, that's right in line with what I've heard of other folks saying on radial vs axial m/c's
Good morning,
Bill (the fan) garners a lot of respect for both his mechanical knowledge and riding ability. And yes Pat, another safety oriented mod does sound pretty good...
So.... I ordered the Nissin radial m/c from RPM yesterday and it looks as if will arrive today - I will make the installation by the weekend - should there be a marked improvement I will write down the particulars and post them when I have put a few miles on them.
Ride safe,
Midget
Is it possible to swap the blue dot part of the calipars for gold ones if so what is the correct part name
I am going to see if when I replace my calipars with blue dot the pulseing stops at high speed brakeing if not I am thinking of getting
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301419172068?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/301419172068?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
or
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360817050498?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/360817050498?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
These wave type are the like the ones I have warped
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111624342565?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111624342565?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 22, 2015, 10:26:15 PM
These wave type are the like the ones I have warped
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111624342565?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/111624342565?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT)
The same supplier? Do your warped rotors have the "Arashi" logo/name on them? Many of us want to know, we are using them..... Maybe Arashi now has knock-off parts, but we need to start somewhere....
Do you know how the your rotors warped?
Don't count on the calipers removing the pulses....assuming your rim is straight, then it's the rotors.
And, in answer to your Blue or Gold dot question.....
Yes, you can swap between them. The Gold dot calipers use aluminum pistons instead of steel. Other than that they work the same.
So, if you already have the Blue dot calipers, swapping to the Gold dots will lighten your FJ by a few grams and your wallet by some amount of $$. Your choice :-)
It would not be hard to spray them with gold caliper paint when I pull them apart to clean
Is it hard to pull the oil pan off completely to do a sump bolt thread replacement
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 22, 2015, 11:23:06 PM
It would not be hard to spray them with gold caliper paint when I pull them apart to clean
Is it hard to pull the oil pan off completely to do a sump bolt thread replacement
On the oil pan/sump. It is easy.
Remove the header pipes. Just for info at the bottom end of the pipes in real fine print there is a stamp marking #1, 2, 3, 4 so you can get the correct pipes back in place.
Remove the collector
Drain the oil
Remove the oil cooler lines
Unbolt the oil level sensor and pull out of the sump.
Unbolt the pan bolts. There is one bolt in the center that has a copper gasket. Don't loose it. There is a few bolts that are longer. Don't worry about keeping track. When you put it back together the shorter ones will not even start to thread into where the long ones go. Just install all the short ones and then the holes that are left over are where the long bolts go. The center bolt with the copper washer is the only "special" one to keep track of. TQ from memory is 7.2 ft lbs.
Buy a lower gasket kit. You will need the sump gasket and the oil pick up tube gasket. My recommendation is just buy a kit. They are around 20.00 USD. Also you might want 4 exhaust header gaskets.
Really it is easy. The only place that you might have difficulty is removing the header pipe nuts. If they are corroded soak them first. Be careful not to break a stud.. don't force or twist to hard.
As a thought you MIGHT be able to unbolt the mufflers and collector and leave the headers on and get the sump off ?
Hope some of this helps.
George
my warped rotors do not have Arashi on them but look idential
the washers and split washers on the back of the botton thingys have rusted badly so i though in will try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqcHw_t3QlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqcHw_t3QlU)
Quote from: rollinghelmet on April 23, 2015, 01:38:33 AM
my warped rotors do not have Arashi on them but look idential
the washers and split washers on the back of the botton thingys have rusted badly so i though in will try this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqcHw_t3QlU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqcHw_t3QlU)
If they are not marked "Arashi" who knows what you've got. The Arashi rotors are in widespread use both here and on many other forums and are even popular with the Hyabusa track day guys. Nothing but glowing reports.
I also posted an independent engineering and metalurgy report (by a skeptic) on them a while back. They came up trumps.
BTW, those "button thingies" should be stainless steel. If they are "rusted badly" they are weakened.
If you ride you bike hard, don't frig around with front brakes. If they're rusty, warped etc. and an unknown brand out of China, chuck 'em, it's not worth the risk.
Rollinghelmet might become bouncing, skidding, crashing helmet.
Noel
Quote from: the fan on April 21, 2015, 11:54:25 AM
With the 14mm masters I would get fade on a long hard run and it was difficult to 'feel' what the front wheel was doing on long fast sweepers. with the radial I get no fade and I cn pretty much tell you what quarry the aggregate in the pavement came from....
OK, time to show my ignorance, again.
I understand the better feel but how does the m/c reduce fade and give better feedback from the tyre on a long fast corner?
Noel
These have the Arashi logo on them and you can not complian about the price
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gold-Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-for-Yamaha-R1-Z-250-TZ-250-TDM-850-TRX-850-FJ-1200-/111624342565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19fd544c25 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Gold-Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-for-Yamaha-R1-Z-250-TZ-250-TDM-850-TRX-850-FJ-1200-/111624342565?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item19fd544c25)
looking closer at the ebay piture the washers on the back of the botton thingies looks different
can someone confirm this with their Arashi rotors thanks
I have these bookmarked as a possible buy as well. Hmmmm. :nea:
Here is a photo of my Arashi rotors. They have been installed for about 2 1/2 years. No rust at all anywhere.
I see you decided on the transparent version :-)
But, you're right.... No rust to be seen anywhere
Quote from: aviationfred on April 23, 2015, 09:17:01 PM
Here is a photo of my Arashi rotors. They have been installed for about 2 1/2 years. No rust at all anywhere.
Hello,
I´m thinking getting some blue dots for my Fj-1200 -1993.
What do I need to get the things together?
1. Blue dots calipers with pads of course
2. A master cylinder (which one is best and most simular to the orginal FJ-one?)
3. Can I use my braided brake lines that are on the bike now or do they needs to be replaced? Are the brake line fittings the same regardless master cylinder and calipers?
Anything else worth thinking of?
With kind regards
Quote from: Tjabo on May 05, 2015, 03:19:32 PM
Hello,
I´m thinking getting some blue dots for my Fj-1200 -1993.
What do I need to get the things together?
1. Blue dots calipers with pads of course
2. A master cylinder (which one is best and most simular to the orginal FJ-one?)
3. Can I use my braided brake lines that are on the bike now or do they needs to be replaced? Are the brake line fittings the same regardless master cylinder and calipers?
Anything else worth thinking of?
With kind regards
Others will respond in more detail and options but you can run the blue dots with your stock M/C if desired. It will work just fine until you want to replace it.
George
Your braided lines will work as long they can be routed properly and not be kinked or stretched. Remember to replace your sealing washers with new ones, one gets placed on both sides of each banjo bolt. The exception is when you have two banjo bolts together then you only use one in between. They are in expensive and you will be less likely to mess about with a leak.
When working with brake fluid, keep thing as covered as possible and keep a spray bottle of water handy. Clean up any drips or spills ASAP and spray with water to dilute and clean off the paint and plastic eating stuff.
Blue dots with Ducati rotors and placic cups
working great for 3 years