Last night thieving bastards got into my garage and stole my 95 FJ1200. They opened a rolla door and had to drag our caravan out of the way as it was blocking the door. Nothing else was taken, I have a lot of tools etc in there. Cops have been and a forensic fingerprint team is on its way. Hopefully they will get the bastards. They may not have been too smart as one of them discarded an empty cigarette pack.
I'm thinking it was targeted for its engine which is a popular donk for Legends racing http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/ (http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/)
It is insured.
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Good luck to you Krusty, I hope they catch the cold hearted chicken ass thieving bastards! I wish I could be of help to you...glad you have insurance. Charley :empathy:
Sorry to hear the bad news. Hope they catch the germs.
What a bloody drag Krusty. Let's hope your insurance makes good on this. The pain never goes away, but you can learn to live with it. Keep us up to date .
Good luck man,
Simon
What a horrible thing to do. I can't imagine being so desperate that I would resort to stealing other people's stuff. I hope your insurance company looks after you. Best of luck finding back your beast.
Damn,
Real sorry to hear of your loss, while I do hope the cops get the thieving bastards, take solace in the knowledge that there is a special place in hell for buggers that pinch a blokes bike...
Gareth
Sorry about that. Seems like a lot of work for an FJ ! I hope you get it back in one piece. It is upsetting to have your privacy invaded to say the least. In the past I have just had liability insurance on the old FJ but recently have been thinking about adding a small replacement value policy before the next riding season.
Still bummed hearing about your experience. They obviously have followed you home or live in the area. I hate thieves....
George
sorry krusty, that is terrible news
i wish you luck for the return of your bike
Bastards.
Might it be time to start looking for a new legends engine? If they're stupid they might try to sell it. (They are thieves, after all.) Hopefully they don't already have a cart to put it in.
:ireful:*%#%^* :ireful:
Man, if I caught someone in my garage doing that, I'd probably wind up in prison.
They'd certainly wind up pushing daisies.
Been there - that sucks.
Hope you get your FJ back
Quote from: krusty on January 20, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
Last night thieving bastards got into my garage and stole my 95 FJ1200. They opened a rolla door and had to drag our caravan out of the way as it was blocking the door. Nothing else was taken, I have a lot of tools etc in there. Cops have been and a forensic fingerprint team is on its way. Hopefully they will get the bastards. They may not have been too smart as one of them discarded an empty cigarette pack.
I'm thinking it was targeted for its engine which is a popular donk for Legends racing http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/ (http://www.aussieracingcars.com.au/)
It is insured.
ftp://
Basteds! :ireful:
So sorry, I hope you get your FJ back in one piece. As with airheadpete , I would more than likely get myself in trouble with the legal system dealing with the criminals myself.
That's a low act.....
Everyone watch out for parts turning up..
Stinking Bastards! I've had 2 cars stolen before, I hate thieving pricks with a passion. I'm hoping you get your pride and joy back unmolested.
I was talking to a cop after our second car went missing and I said they should bring in Saudi law, steal something and one of your hands gets lopped off, makes it damn harder to steal something next time, he agreed. :diablo:
Quote from: krusty on January 20, 2015, 07:14:45 PM
I'm thinking it was targeted for its engine which is a popular donk for Legends racing
Bastards! I must admit I'm pretty slack about security and leave the keys in it more than I should when I'm out, after all, who would bother pinching a 22 yo bike with so much modern stuff out there? clearly someone!
I never thought of the Legends engine angle.
Glad to hear it was insured, but getting the money back is only part of the story when a victim of theft, particularly when it's from your own home, it's and unsettling experience.
I hope it has a satisfactory outcome (they catch the pricks before they lay a hand on the bike)
Noel
Cops have been and forensic found nothing. Theives must have been wearing gloves, no prints anywhere. Insurance claim is in but have to wait two weeks for payout. It's insured with "Insure My Ride", the were pretty good when my son wrote off his ZX14 a couple of years ago, replaced it with a new one. Found an FJ on Gumtree and going to check it out on Friday.
Hopefully it will turn up and not be in bad shape. I had my 250 stolen a few years ago. Cops located it in a parking lot the next day, across town. The thieves stole it to steal the carburetor off of it, took the top case, and broke the windscreen off it. And it's not desperation, it's just a way of life for most of these a-holes. A former girlfriends father used to brag about how he had never bought a pair of sunglasses in his life. He would just steal a pair off of someones dash in a grocery store lot whenever he needed one. Best of fortune to you...
I hate thieves! :hang1:
At least your police came out and checked for finger prints. If that had been in the U.S. you might have been lucky enough to have the cops eventually show up and take a report. :negative:
Quote from: FeralRdr on January 21, 2015, 09:58:22 AM
I hate thieves! :hang1:
At least your police came out and checked for finger prints. If that had been in the U.S. you might have been lucky enough to have the cops eventually show up and take a report. :negative:
True enough...I had a 1986 Yamaha Radian with barely more than 10,000 miles on it, stolen in Tulsa, OK. Couldn't get a cop to come out, I had to go to the nearest police precinct building and fill out the report there. I had dreams for the next couple of months about pulling up in traffic behind my stolen bike and parking my car on top of a bike thief......
Oh man , that is horrible to have a bike stolen out of the garage . You have so many other bikes and the tools weren't taken .. I would take a real close look at your neighbors garages . People you met recently , like the guy who took an interest when you were getting fuel and followed you home.
Just a thought , but do you have any practical joker friends who would do this to you? Maybe a relative "borrowed it " ...
Did somebody sign you up for a tv show that swipes your bike and restores it to give back to you later.
Sound so weird they only took the FJ.
My fj ended up with a bent brake lever and chipped engine cover once just sitting in the driveway . My video surveillance showed it to be one of my friends was sitting on it and dropped it on themselves trying to save it from the fall . He didn't fess up till I showed him the vid of the whole debacle.
So with all the stuff you got I would recommend getting a surveillance system to keep an eye on your things.
Off with their heads
20 years in the electric chair!!!!! Fry the buggers... (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/flamethrower.gif)
Any chance they are feeding the starving or housing the homeless?
Quote from: Mark Olson on January 21, 2015, 03:43:41 PM
Oh man , that is horrible to have a bike stolen out of the garage . You have so many other bikes and the tools weren't taken .. I would take a real close look at your neighbors garages . People you met recently , like the guy who took an interest when you were getting fuel and followed you home.
Just a thought , but do you have any practical joker friends who would do this to you? Maybe a relative "borrowed it " ...
Did somebody sign you up for a tv show that swipes your bike and restores it to give back to you later.
Sound so weird they only took the FJ.
My fj ended up with a bent brake lever and chipped engine cover once just sitting in the driveway . My video surveillance showed it to be one of my friends was sitting on it and dropped it on themselves trying to save it from the fall . He didn't fess up till I showed him the vid of the whole debacle.
So with all the stuff you got I would recommend getting a surveillance system to keep an eye on your things.
Like I said in an earlier post and, has also been suggested by quite a few mates around here, it was targeted for Legends racers.
The wifes' Turbo Forester was also in the garage and it has a dash cam but I never thought to set it up for motion sensor. Might have caught them on video. There are so many "shoulda" things that you think of after the event.
So true on many "events" in life that teach us lessons. :smile:
Quote from: krusty on January 22, 2015, 01:17:41 AM
There are so many "shoulda" things that you think of after the event.
Quote from: FJmonkey on January 21, 2015, 10:22:25 PM
20 years in the electric chair!!!!! Fry the buggers... (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/flamethrower.gif)
Any chance they are feeding the starving or housing the homeless?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-TIxEgcTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-TIxEgcTA)
Quote from: pdxfj on January 22, 2015, 02:42:12 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on January 21, 2015, 10:22:25 PM
20 years in the electric chair!!!!! Fry the buggers... (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/guns/flamethrower.gif)
Any chance they are feeding the starving or housing the homeless?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-TIxEgcTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-TIxEgcTA)
That is a great idea he used in the movie.
Krusty,
Sorry for your loss.
Anson
A little bit of good news is that I have a replacement bike lined up for when the insurance comes through. Same model, same colour, almost same klms, and has GearSack rack and bag, sheep skin seat cover which mine had as well as oxford heated grips and progressive fork springs. Also a full service history. Condition is as good if not a little better. Looking forward to getting wheels again.
Side benefit is motivation in getting my other bikes up to scratch so that I'm not left without a ride.
Quote from: krusty on January 25, 2015, 12:36:00 AM
A little bit of good news is that I have a replacement bike lined up for when the insurance comes through. Same model, same colour, almost same klms, and has GearSack rack and bag, sheep skin seat cover which mine had as well as oxford heated grips and progressive fork springs. Also a full service history. Condition is as good if not a little better. Looking forward to getting wheels again.
Side benefit is motivation in getting my other bikes up to scratch so that I'm not left without a ride.
Are you sure you are not getting your same bike back????
WOW. Never thought of that. :shok:
Hi Krusty,
I just got in from Phillip Island to read your pain.
Scum sucking mother f##kers, That stuff really pushes my anger buttons.........
Electric chair too good - make them an appointment with Jihad Johnny !!
Quote from: FJools on January 25, 2015, 11:18:58 PM
Hi Krusty,
I just got in from Phillip Island to read your pain.
Scum sucking mother f##kers, That stuff really pushes my anger buttons.........
Electric chair too good - make them an appointment with Jihad Johnny !!
Slow motion guillotine crossed my mind.
"Slow motion guillotine crossed my mind."
:hang1:
Would a chainsaw be a good substitute?
(We've got a LOT of those around here...) :good:
Quote from: airheadPete on January 26, 2015, 08:58:34 PM
Would a chainsaw be a good substitute?
(We've got a LOT of those around here...) :good:
I guess if we have the option, we could cut his/her heart out with a spoon.... That might hurt...
A dull spoon monkey, a really, really dull spoon!
(I have NO objections to blood. Especially when it's not mine. :scratch_one-s_head:)
Nahhh....Fair suck of the sauce bottle.....ya gotta at least give him the opportunity of an Aussie 7 step rehabilitation Plan.
It goes like this:-
While ya got him handcuffed, What ya do is:-
1. Place the really important part of his anatomy in the Vice in his shed.
2. Screw the jaws in real tight....keep going until tha screaming stops (Don`t ask how I know this point!).....
3. Now weld the screw gizmo permanently to Vice.
4.Spread some diesel throughout the shed.(don`t use petrol as it lights too quick).
5. Place a sharp knife next to vice.
6. Set Diesel on fire.
7. Unlock the handcuffs, and depart expeditiously. (taking the cuffs with you.)
Because of your basic devotion to fairness, the next decision is entirely up to him! :diablo:
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2015, 01:25:40 AM
Nahhh....Fair suck of the sauce bottle.....ya gotta at least give him the opportunity of an Aussie 7 step rehabilitation Plan.
It goes like this:-
While ya got him handcuffed, What ya do is:-
1. Place the really important part of his anatomy in the Vice in his shed.
2. Screw the jaws in real tight....keep going until tha screaming stops (Don`t ask how I know this point!).....
3. Now weld the screw gizmo permanently to Vice.
4.Spread some diesel throughout the shed.(don`t use petrol as it lights too quick).
5. Place a sharp knife next to vice.
6. Set Diesel on fire.
7. Unlock the handcuffs, and depart expeditiously. (taking the cuffs with you.)
Because of your basic devotion to fairness, the next decision is entirely up to him! :diablo:
Sound like you have been getting all your ideas (they are good) from Mad Max.
Just with some slight changes (with finesse)
I can't remember the name of the movie with the line, or something similar to this line: "First we dress him in a bunny suit, so after we kill him we can find him in Hell, and kill him some more..."
Quote from: Urban_Legend on January 27, 2015, 02:29:59 AM
Quote from: The General on January 27, 2015, 01:25:40 AM
Nahhh....Fair suck of the sauce bottle.....ya gotta at least give him the opportunity of an Aussie 7 step rehabilitation Plan.
It goes like this:-
While ya got him handcuffed, What ya do is:-
1. Place the really important part of his anatomy in the Vice in his shed.
2. Screw the jaws in real tight....keep going until tha screaming stops (Don`t ask how I know this point!).....
3. Now weld the screw gizmo permanently to Vice.
4.Spread some diesel throughout the shed.(don`t use petrol as it lights too quick).
5. Place a sharp knife next to vice.
6. Set Diesel on fire.
7. Unlock the handcuffs, and depart expeditiously. (taking the cuffs with you.)
Because of your basic devotion to fairness, the next decision is entirely up to him! :diablo:
Sound like you have been getting all your ideas (they are good) from Mad Max.
Just with some slight changes (with finesse)
Unfortunately though, in Oz, the reality would be:
1: Sorry if we hurt you while arresting you - pls don't make a complaint
2: Can I get you a coffee?
3: You can go now your court date is.............
4: At court " We think you have learned your lesson. Off you go and don't do it again"
5: Here is some cash to help you get home
after repeat re offending repeat 4 & 5...............
Quote from: FJools on January 27, 2015, 02:24:20 PM
Unfortunately though, in Oz, the reality would be:
1: Sorry if we hurt you while arresting you - pls don't make a complaint
2: Can I get you a coffee?
3: You can go now your court date is.............
4: At court " We think you have learned your lesson. Off you go and don't do it again"
5: Here is some cash to help you get home
after repeat re offending repeat 4 & 5...............
And I was thinking that only in my country criminals have more rights than me..... :bomb: :bomb: :bomb:
Picked up my new bike last week, an FJ1200 to replace the one that was nicked. Insurance still hasn't come through but I didn't want to let this one slip by.
It's a 1990 model which makes it 5 years older than the old one.
Has almost same ks. It has a belly pan, which the old one didn't have, Oxford heated grips, progressive fork springs from Ikon, extra padding in the pillion seat and lambswool cover, rack and Gear Sack. Overall it is in nicer condition too. Has been well looked after and all the dealer sevices have been done in the service book, then when the PO ran out of space he added an extra page for the dealer to stamp and note what was done, including carb synch'ing and valve adjustments.
So missus and I went on the Hunter short run to Paterson yesterday, 150ks.
So what's it like compared to the old one.
Positive side: Engine smooth and quiet. Suspension feels good, maybe a little more plush. Wife liked the comfort of the extra padding in the seat and the gear rack is at a better angle for her to lean back on. Oh, and it has Staintune stainless mufflers, nice.
On the negative side: The screen is different and causes buffeting wind noise. It doesn't shake my helmet but just makes a loud noise as if there's something flapping. The only way I could ease the noise was by sitting high with my head almost completely higher than the screen or open my visor about an inch which reduced the racket but didn't entirely eliminate it. I did the latter. I'm gonna have to replace this screen I think.
One other thing I noticed is that it tended to wander slightly, nothing alarming but meant I had to concentrate a little more to keep it lined up. I'm putting this down to mismatched tyres. The sizes are correct and I checked pressures, but the front is a Bridgestone BattleAxe and the rear is a Michelin Macadam. The Michelin is almost eight years old and has done 15000ks but still has about 25% wear left. The front has plenty of wear left but I'm not too sure of its age. I'll replace both. Rear wheel bearings have been replaced 8000k ago.
Being an older model I now only have 5 years to wait instead of ten to put it on club plates, on second thought I'd rather have full reg.
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good looking bike.
Krusty,
While that bike may have been built in 1990, and thus rego'ed here as a 1990 bike, it is the "B" model same as all the other "B" model 1991 FJs (pink striper).
That is the OEM stock screen. Either replace it with an aftermarket screen you think you'll like better or modify it to help the wind up and over your head. If you replace it, I'm sure someone here will be happy to buy it from you.
Any parts or bits you still have from your "96" will fit.
With mis-matched tires, especially ones that old you'd be well served replacing them.
Looks like you got a winner.
Really good looking bike . I can see why you didn't want that one to slip away. I like the protective gators on the forks. Dave
Very nice looking bike. Well done.
As a side note, if you do ever replace the screen, there are dollars to be made as people do look for good examples of the original one :drinks:,
Quote from: Arnie on February 09, 2015, 10:34:25 PM
That is the OEM stock screen. Either replace it with an aftermarket screen you think you'll like better or modify it to help the wind up and over your head. If you replace it, I'm sure someone here will be happy to buy it from you.
Arnie is correct! I would be interested in that screen if you are willing to ship it off to the US!
Pm sent..
tim
Good looking bike , glad you bought it before it got away .
check your steering head brgs on the wandering thing .
This you may already know:
The quick check is to put the bike on center stand and have someone push down on the seat till the front wheel lifts off the ground . Then turn the handlebars all the way to the right then with a light push on the bars to the left . The bars should make it all the way to the left and bounce back to just before center.
Quote from: Mark Olson on February 10, 2015, 02:11:36 AM
This you may already know:
The quick check is to put the bike on center stand and have someone push down on the seat till the front wheel lifts off the ground . Then turn the handlebars all the way to the right then with a light push on the bars to the left . The bars should make it all the way to the left and bounce back to just before center.
Mark, I understand the theory in what you saying but it is heavily compromised by throttle cables, brake and clutch lines, wiring and would probably do the same thing if the bearings were loose.
The head stem has tapered bearings, which are adjustable, and that is where the correct adjustment should be determined.
I believe the manual has a convoluted means of adjusting them or you could simply use the widely accepted procedure for front wheel bearings on cars.
As the rollers are loose in their cage, old hardened grease can do a very convincing imitation of a pitted race in the dead ahead position which can be felt when turning the bars past centre.
Unless your bike has been ridden for a long time with a seriously out of balance wheel, the bearings should last a very long time. Cleaning and re greasing them will on most occasions return them to a good state.
A visual inspection of the race will show if it needs replacing.
Noel
Quote from: krusty on February 09, 2015, 10:08:53 PM
On the negative side: The screen is different and causes buffeting wind noise. It doesn't shake my helmet but just makes a loud noise as if there's something flapping. The only way I could ease the noise was by sitting high with my head almost completely higher than the screen or open my visor about an inch which reduced the racket but didn't entirely eliminate it. I did the latter. I'm gonna have to replace this screen I think.
My apologies about the PM, difficult to keep up with mail.
As Arnie said, it is a standard non US screen for that model. I know what you are talking about with the buffeting.
The very first thing I did was investigate other screens. I bought 2 (still sitting on the shelf with less than an hours riding on them) and tried a couple of others.That makes 5 if you include a test ride on Arnies bike. Yes, all the other screens left my head in clean air and were smoother an quieter.
What I didn't like was the pressure on my helmet and upper body from the wind. I also like to ride with my visor up most of the time, this being the only one that allowed that. The wind (and rain) hit about half way up my visor. I have considered playing with an adjustable deflector on the top as well as an opening lower down to equalise the air and reduce the buffeting.
BMW's, and probably others, have a hole in the lower part of the screen for just this purpose. It seems to work well. Not noisy and little buffeting.
Given the sort of riding I do, I settled on the original screen for the protection it offered and started wearing ear plugs (which you should do anyway)
I'll throw my hat in the ring and suggest if you're interested in selling it and it is reasonable condition, I am definitely interested (Melbourne)
Noel
Hi Krusty, missed the earlier posts hope the bastards burn in hell and hope you've wired the garage door up to the nearest high tension power line in case the scum come back. Second thoughts that would be too quick how about balancing 20 ltrs of acid above the door.
John
Great looking replacement. It appears that the previous owner took great care of it, in preparation to your ownership. Wishing you many 1000's of K's of enjoyment on your be ride. :drinks:
Fred
"It's a 1990 model which makes it 5 years older than the old one."
Looks really nice; I really like that color combo...have not seen one in Canada.
Interesting....it is a 3xw.....In Canada I am pretty sure the first year for that model was '91. Of course Oz is quite a few time zones earlier...right? :nyam2:
My son has one here registered as a '90...it is a 3cv.
Jeff
Quote from: ribbert on February 10, 2015, 05:40:16 AM
Quote from: Mark Olson on February 10, 2015, 02:11:36 AM
This you may already know:
The quick check is to put the bike on center stand and have someone push down on the seat till the front wheel lifts off the ground . Then turn the handlebars all the way to the right then with a light push on the bars to the left . The bars should make it all the way to the left and bounce back to just before center.
Mark, I understand the theory in what you saying but it is heavily compromised by throttle cables, brake and clutch lines, wiring and would probably do the same thing if the bearings were loose.
The head stem has tapered bearings, which are adjustable, and that is where the correct adjustment should be determined.
I believe the manual has a convoluted means of adjusting them or you could simply use the widely accepted procedure for front wheel bearings on cars.
As the rollers are loose in their cage, old hardened grease can do a very convincing imitation of a pitted race in the dead ahead position which can be felt when turning the bars past centre.
Unless your bike has been ridden for a long time with a seriously out of balance wheel, the bearings should last a very long time. Cleaning and re greasing them will on most occasions return them to a good state.
A visual inspection of the race will show if it needs replacing.
Noel
Just to clarify for those interested : The quick test takes into account the cables and all the crap on the bars . If it does not do as prescribed then a tear down of the brgs is in order with full inspection and re greasing and cleaning of the brgs. The manual requires a special tool for setting the tension but the bounce test will achieve the same result in the end.
Most steering head brgs never get greased on a regular maint so it is probably a good idea to do them anyway.
Quote from: Mark Olson on February 10, 2015, 01:19:28 PM
Most steering head brgs never get greased on a regular maint so it is probably a good idea to do them anyway.
Yep, like when you're replacing those old leaky fork seals, or replacing those clapped out OEM springs with good aftermarket ones, and/or installing those greatest-thing-since-sliced-bread RPM Racing fork valves, or, [space provided for your own personal front end, or other FJ maintenance activities] ...
Quote from: TexasDave on February 09, 2015, 10:47:52 PM
Really good looking bike . I can see why you didn't want that one to slip away. I like the protective gators on the forks. Dave
The gaiters are a little too longer than necessary and a bit fugly but so long as they do the job I'm ok with them.
As for the wandering bit, I did check the action of the steering stem when I got it. It was nice and smooth, not too tight and not too loose. I went to my local shop, Sportcycles, yesterday and they confirmed what I suspected about the tyres. Ordered a new set of Metzler Marathons, (which my nicked FJ had and which I liked a lot) and they arrived today. Will most likely get them fitted tomorrow.
Quote from: aviationfred on February 10, 2015, 08:24:49 AM
Great looking replacement. It appears that the previous owner took great care of it, in preparation to your ownership. Wishing you many 1000's of K's of enjoyment on your be ride. :drinks:
Fred
Thanks Fred. From the log book I've worked out that I'm the 4th owner. It came with paper work including copies of yearly roadworthy checks for rego, which verified the mileage (Kilometreage doesn't sound quite right) is correct.
I've given it a careful look over and can't find any signs of it ever being dropped. Another plus.
Congrats on the new bike. Hope you are as happy with it as the one that was stolen.
Kurt
Quote from: krusty on February 17, 2015, 02:48:28 AM
As for the wandering bit, I did check the action of the steering stem when I got it. It was nice and smooth, not too tight and not too loose. I went to my local shop, Sportcycles, yesterday and they confirmed what I suspected about the tyres. Ordered a new set of Metzler Marathons, (which my nicked FJ had and which I liked a lot) and they arrived today. Will most likely get them fitted tomorrow.
Tyres fitted yesterday. All good now, no more wandering. Will get them scrubbed in for a VJMC fish & chip run to Patonga this weekend.
Quote from: krusty on February 18, 2015, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: krusty on February 17, 2015, 02:48:28 AM
As for the wandering bit, I did check the action of the steering stem when I got it. It was nice and smooth, not too tight and not too loose. I went to my local shop, Sportcycles, yesterday and they confirmed what I suspected about the tyres. Ordered a new set of Metzler Marathons, (which my nicked FJ had and which I liked a lot) and they arrived today. Will most likely get them fitted tomorrow.
Tyres fitted yesterday. All good now, no more wandering. Will get them scrubbed in for a VJMC fish & chip run to Patonga this weekend.
Patonga!....Now there`s a flash from the distant pass. Spent a lot of time near there at Empire Bay! (Holiday house In the fifties, would you believe.) ...pics?
Hi Krusty
what are the details of the VJMC run ?
Jools
Quote from: FJools on February 18, 2015, 03:43:01 PM
Hi Krusty
what are the details of the VJMC run ?
Jools
Sydney mob meet at Mt White cafe about 0800 then decide where to go. I believe they will be going to Kulnura and/or Patonga.
I'll be with the Lower Hunter (Newcastle) group and will probably be going via Bumble Hill from Yarramalong to Mangrove Mountain then on to Patonga. Usually get there somewhere between 1100 & 1200. You can check the VJMC calendar at www.vjmc.org.au (http://www.vjmc.org.au)