I can't comment on the collector, as I haven't bought one....YET! But the mufflers of theirs are top quality with a very nice sound.
These are the mid length mufflers offered for the XJR1300.
Leon
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/1tinindian/Motorcycles/100_4519.jpg)
1991 Yamaha FJ1200 walk around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUuldx7A0yY#)
Thanks for the picture and video! I went ahead and bought one. Should arrive by Wednesday. I'm looking forward to getting this sorted out!
Quote from: David Allaband on September 04, 2011, 04:17:29 PM
Thanks for the picture and video! I went ahead and bought one. Should arrive by Wednesday. I'm looking forward to getting this sorted out!
That's a good looking collector, the heat shields are a nice touch. Be sure to take some pictures and give us a product report when you receive it.
Isthere a reason why you went with the FJR1300 exhaust versus the one for the FJ1200 ? Was just curious. Sounds really good though.. Quite with a nice growl to let you know that she isnt a little and means business. I was looking at the 18" stainless. Would like the Carbon, but not interested in paying the extra moola..
Quote from: 1tinindian on August 31, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
I can't comment on the collector, as I haven't bought one....YET! But the mufflers of theirs are top quality with a very nice sound.
These are the mid length mufflers offered for the XJR1300.
Leon
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/1tinindian/Motorcycles/100_4519.jpg)
1991 Yamaha FJ1200 walk around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUuldx7A0yY#)
Quote from: fj1200d on September 27, 2011, 11:58:06 PM
Isthere a reason why you went with the FJR1300 exhaust versus the one for the FJ1200 ? Was just curious. Sounds really good though.. Quite with a nice growl to let you know that she isnt a little and means business. I was looking at the 18" stainless. Would like the Carbon, but not interested in paying the extra moola..
Quote from: 1tinindian on August 31, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
I can't comment on the collector, as I haven't bought one....YET! But the mufflers of theirs are top quality with a very nice sound.
These are the mid length mufflers offered for the XJR1300.
Leon
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/1tinindian/Motorcycles/100_4519.jpg)
1991 Yamaha FJ1200 walk around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUuldx7A0yY#)
At the time I was looking at them, they didn't have any listed for the FJ1200.
They added FJs after I had these installed.
I doubt they are any differents between the two.
Mine do tuck in pretty tight and I do have some slight rub marks on the inside of the mufflers from contact with the axle ends.
Leon
Ok, sorry I haven't replied for a bit. I have been busy with some other things while the weather has been crappy.
I received the exhaust and am having problems fitting it properly to the bike. I got mine off of Ebay new. The guy is really nice and offered to do a refund, knock money off, or try to have something made that WILL work. I opted for the latter.
At his request I took many pics of how the exhaust fit on the bike. He also told me that it was fitted for an XJR and didnt think they would have any problems. They are now reworking the fitment, especially the mid pipe. So if anyone is thinking of ordering this exhaust, hold off.. Correct fitment is in the works.
It fits but not without being stressed.. The mid pipe is all the way against the collector. The exhaust bracket just barely makes it and as stated in a previous post by Leon that it will rub against the frame.
I have high confidence that they are going to help me make this work and use it for a model for future development. I was already sent some new brackets that I am going to try out tomorrow.
I will try to keep everyone informed on updates and when they have them available. This is for my '92 FJ.
I fitted my Delkevics last weekend having bought them on ebay only a couple of months old. The seller had mid pipes made up which came with the purchase and while they fitted perfectly, I didn't like where they sat. The answer ended up being swapping the original mid pipes L to R and making a short hanger from the mount (lowers the mounting point about 20mm) Not stressed, nice angle, looks good but won't allow centre stand to return far enough. Short term, I have removed the stand and will, at some point, get new mid pipes made. Because it only stops the stand retracting far enough and the mounting points are very accessable, I have found it takes about 30 secs to put the stand in position (no spring) slide the bolts through(no nuts) and use it in the garage. Not that much of an inconvenience.
Depending on the angle, you may need to mount them on the OUTSIDE of the mounting bracket so they clear the axle bolt.
Handle with care, I don't believe the casing is very thick and may dent easily.
You'll love it when you get them fitted, they sound fantastic!
I'll be keen to see what you come up with for a proper fix.
Noel ('93)
Hello good folks, I know this is a old topic, but I thought I would check in to see the status of the Delkevic slip ons.
I have a '93 I'm thinking about adding these slip on too... I like the mid length style Leon used.
Based on what was discussed here, any current recommendations?
I have these slip on and love the look and sound of them.
The do get a bit of spot rust from moisture on them but they do sound sweet.
These are one of the the things that I bought for the FJ that I'm 100% happy with. I briefly flirted with the idea of a 4 into 1 but I actually prefer the look of the Delkevics and like the sound so much I dismissed it as fast as I thought of it, I think the look suits the FJ's and I don't care about weight savings, it's not a racing bike and it's down low anyway.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2910/14637380967_8c8641e0c9_b.jpg)
As for durability, mine probably have well over 60,000 kms on them and look like new. They took a few thousands Km's to break in but once they had, the note has remained constant with no deterioration or evidence of repacking required.
I ran them with the baffles out for a couple of years then decided they were a bit loud and have now had the baffles in for a few years and like the sound.
I polish them lightly every month or so with Autosol. Once a year I remove them and give them a good going over on the rag wheel.
These shots were taken about 6 mths ago on a trip so they were not even particularly clean or recently polished.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/11955823385_404c85e509_c.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/11956620226_347bc7e354_c.jpg)
Yes, I am very happy with them and think the quality exceeds expectations for the relatively cheap price. They are well built, have lasted well and I expect many more years from them.
I have the full system with Trioval Mufflers 18" long. I love it. The sound gets better with miles and mine came with "silencer tube" inserts for running quiet..... Highly recommend Delkavic.
Tim
Thanks For the tip on the rust spots Rob.
Noel, That is a beautiful bike! Kudos. It shows real dedication. It's hard to tell from your picts, do you have the round or oval cans?
How did you work out the clearance with the axle? Any changes needed?
Hey Tim, good to hear from you... I was thinking of the tri oval shape but seeing where the hanger bracket and clamp is, in relation to the can, 18" is a long cantilever. Yes, I know I can fab up an extension bracket.
I like Leon's choice on the mid length ~14" can (?)
Hope you can make it up to the Coleville for our WCR in the Sierra's this June. You've been missed!
Mmmm, I have been looking at the Delkovics on eBay, and they are not expensive I think for the quality you get. With my project '92 with standard Fj mufflers, I was thinking I can donate my reskinned Staintune mufflers to it, and get myself some nice new Delkovics :good2:
We'll see how much I spend on the project bike first though, ..... yours simply look brilliant Noel :drinks:
Ray, yep, I especially like Noel's front brakes.... :drinks:
Quote from: Pat Conlon on December 25, 2014, 08:51:09 AMI especially like Noel's front brakes.... :drinks:
(popcorn) :good2: It is a beautiful bike. Love that color combo.
George
I love those blue spot brakes too. Are they clamping on the OEM FJ rotors ? I picked up an R6 front wheel with rotors that I am planning to use.
I have finally amassed all the parts I need to convert so watch this space for a new thread beginning soon.
I also got the Delkevic collector box to replace the rusty dinged originals.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on December 25, 2014, 08:51:09 AM
Ray, yep, I especially like Noel's front brakes.... :drinks:
Haha, I'll tell you all about 'em some time. :biggrin:
Noel
On eBay Delkevic sells cans for FJ1200 up to 1990. When I asked if those: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Stubby-Oval-350mm-Exhaust-Silencer-Slip-on-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/271575956677?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Stubby-Oval-350mm-Exhaust-Silencer-Slip-on-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/271575956677?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123)
will fit for my 1991 I received this answer:
"While we have heard of clients buying them and fitting them, it is not straight forward".
Anyone know what mean "not straight forward"....... ?
Hi Guys.
I went with the tri ovals and collector box and polished some late model headers for my 86 ambulance.
The only installation issues I recall were the heat Shields on the collector had to be removed and the brackets that hold the heat shield on had to be bent in as they interfered with the lower fairing. Also, I fitted some 15mm noelathane swaybar bushes (red of course) in between the slip on hanger and the outside of the footpeg bracket to gain enough clearance from the swing arm/rear axle.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1993-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Header-Collector-Box-/171172237089?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27daa90f2 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-FJ1200-1986-1993-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Header-Collector-Box-/171172237089?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27daa90f2)
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tri-Oval-320mm-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Silencer-Slip-on-Yamaha-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/271610505563?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f3d3f695b (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Tri-Oval-320mm-Stainless-Steel-Exhaust-Silencer-Slip-on-Yamaha-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/271610505563?pt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f3d3f695b)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/5/1645_30_05_13_12_25_04_0.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/1645_24_02_13_8_26_21_1.jpeg)
Cheers :drinks:
Jeff P
Jeff, you've got a beautiful bike!
chris
Quote from: flips on January 02, 2015, 02:55:41 PM
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/1645_24_02_13_8_26_21_1.jpeg)
Cheers :drinks:
Jeff P
Wow Jeff, that is just beautiful.
I notice you have the centre stand on, I couldn't get mine to retract up far enough and left it off. Not so bad now that chain maintenance is no longer an issue but would prefer to have it on.
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on January 02, 2015, 04:31:27 PM
Quote from: flips on January 02, 2015, 02:55:41 PM
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/4/1645_24_02_13_8_26_21_1.jpeg)
Cheers :drinks:
Jeff P
Wow Jeff, that is just beautiful.
I notice you have the centre stand on, I couldn't get mine to retract up far enough and left it off. Not so bad now that chain maintenance is no longer an issue but would prefer to have it on.
Noel
Hi Chris & Noel.
Thanks for the compliments.The bike has had a slow and incremental series of upgrades since I got it in 97, but is still far from "perfect".
The Centre Stand! .... I knew I forgot something when I was mentioning installation issues.Thanks for reminding me Noel.
I too had concerns about the centre stand not retracting high enough as the "foot arm" on the centre stand hits the mid pipe in the up position,
not leaving enough road clearance.I ended up heating up the arm with the oxy,putting a piece of 20mm id steel pipe on and bending it forward to gain the clearance.The unfortunate side effect was reduced mechanical advantage as the fulcrum point/angle on the " foot arm" was changed making putting the bike on the centre stand more difficult , but still manageable.
I believe it would be possible to fabricate a new longer more curved " foot arm" to fix this ....wait....or maybe I need to get an 89 swing arm setup with dog bones to raise the ride height to make it easier to put on the centre stand....wait...then I will need to get an RPM rear shock to match the installed RPM fork valves...wait...Then I might have to modify the upper rear shock position as I believe Monkey Mark had some issues.....wait...then I might have to put " a platform shoe" on the side stand as this will be too short....wait......on second thought, maybe its fine the way it is.... :pardon: :flag_of_truce:
Cheers :drinks:
Jeff P
Quote from: flips on January 02, 2015, 05:55:18 PM
I too had concerns about the centre stand not retracting high enough as the "foot arm" on the centre stand hits the mid pipe in the up position,
not leaving enough road clearance.I ended up heating up the arm with the oxy,putting a piece of 20mm id steel pipe on and bending it forward to gain the clearance.The unfortunate side effect was reduced mechanical advantage as the fulcrum point/angle on the " foot arm" was changed making putting the bike on the centre stand more difficult , but still manageable.
Jeff P
Jeff, for different reasons, bad back, I have can no longer easily put my bike on the centre stand.
I made this, I can now put it on the stand in bare feet. Just roll the front wheel up this, put the stand down and will fall back onto it with no effort.
It has a stop so you don't go over the front and even a handle so I don't have bend down and put it in place/pick it up. It took a few mods to get the height and length right and make it so the leading edge bites the floor when the tyre hits it and doesn't shoot out (like the first one)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/12668831245_7e772b793b_c.jpg)
As you can see, it never got finished beyond prototype stage but I don't believe tidying it up and painting it would make it work any better.
Now, if I just didn't have to bend down to slip the bolts through the CS.......
Noel
Quote from: MOTOMYSZOR on January 02, 2015, 01:33:38 PM
On eBay Delkevic sells cans for FJ1200 up to 1990. When I asked if those: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Stubby-Oval-350mm-Exhaust-Silencer-Slip-on-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/271575956677?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Stainless-Steel-Stubby-Oval-350mm-Exhaust-Silencer-Slip-on-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/271575956677?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123)
will fit for my 1991 I received this answer:
"While we have heard of clients buying them and fitting them, it is not straight forward".
Anyone know what mean "not straight forward"....... ?
You might have trouble getting the centre stand to fit. The fact that some do and some don't suggests not everyone is fussed about it retracting as far up as original, assuming we are all using the same mid pipes.
I was lucky, I got some intermediate pipes that someone had paid an exhaust shop to fab up that allowed for a perfect fit, with the centre stand going all the way up. Then I got unlucky, it's been 4 years and many garage tidies since and the bastards still haven't reappeared. I lost them!
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on January 02, 2015, 09:55:16 PM
Quote from: flips on January 02, 2015, 05:55:18 PM
I too had concerns about the centre stand not retracting high enough as the "foot arm" on the centre stand hits the mid pipe in the up position,
not leaving enough road clearance.I ended up heating up the arm with the oxy,putting a piece of 20mm id steel pipe on and bending it forward to gain the clearance.The unfortunate side effect was reduced mechanical advantage as the fulcrum point/angle on the " foot arm" was changed making putting the bike on the centre stand more difficult , but still manageable.
Jeff P
Jeff, for different reasons, bad back, I have can no longer easily put my bike on the centre stand.
I made this, I can now put it on the stand in bare feet. Just roll the front wheel up this, put the stand down and will fall back onto it with no effort.
It has a stop so you don't go over the front and even a handle so I don't have bend down and put it in place/pick it up. It took a few mods to get the height and length right and make it so the leading edge bites the floor when the tyre hits it and doesn't shoot out (like the first one)
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/12668831245_7e772b793b_c.jpg)
As you can see, it never got finished beyond prototype stage but I don't believe tidying it up and painting it would make it work any better.
Now, if I just didn't have to bend down to slip the bolts through the CS.......
Noel
Pleeeeease tell me there`s rubber under your gadget....such a nice unpolished bonnet?....Bolts thru the Centrestand?. ...Only 29 deg here. :drinks:
The center stand can be a bitch to put the fj onto. However if you mod the rear wheel and raise the back end up it becomes really easy. :good2:
Quote from: The General on January 03, 2015, 01:58:43 PM
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2846/12668831245_7e772b793b_c.jpg)
Pleeeeease tell me there`s rubber under your gadget....such a nice unpolished bonnet?....Bolts thru the Centrestand?. ...Only 29 deg here. :drinks:
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You might be on to something, it slips all over the place when I roll the bike onto it if it's polished and it's a bit of job getting it up there, I'll try it on the ground next time. (btw, that's Saab #3, I bought it just for the roof)
I don't have the centre stand fitted to my bike so when I want to use it, I just poke the bolts through loose, no nuts.
Yeah. been stinking hot down here. I thought I'd ride somewhere for some relief today and the bloody heat's melted all the snow!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Wf59mwfeK6o/VKkOOavysVI/AAAAAAAAj34/fQkm61zOLvk/w1145-h859-no/P1000580.JPG)
(From the summit at Mt Bulla)650 kms for nothing.
I detoured hundreds of kms just to take this shot for you Doug, an FJ in front of the Flowerdale Pub. An Aprilia in front of the pub just ain't the same, feel free to show this photo around after the weekend and claim ownership. This joint has a veranda just made for drinking and telling lies, particularly when it's chockers with bike riders revelling in a weekend of machines they use to ride and how fast they were on them.
Sounds like a great weekend and the pub is just the sort of place that seems to suit such an event. It is only 30 kms from Broadford.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Lzh5V1LBmus/VKkNZ6RedAI/AAAAAAAAj2A/ASBs5u2jLZU/w1145-h859-no/P1000590.JPG)'
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on December 24, 2014, 06:24:38 PM
These are one of the the things that I bought for the FJ that I'm 100% happy with. I briefly flirted with the idea of a 4 into 1 but I actually prefer the look of the Delkevics and like the sound so much I dismissed it as fast as I thought of it, I think the look suits the FJ's and I don't care about weight savings, it's not a racing bike and it's down low anyway.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2910/14637380967_8c8641e0c9_b.jpg)
As for durability, mine probably have well over 60,000 kms on them and look like new. They took a few thousands Km's to break in but once they had, the note has remained constant with no deterioration or evidence of repacking required.
I ran them with the baffles out for a couple of years then decided they were a bit loud and have now had the baffles in for a few years and like the sound.
I polish them lightly every month or so with Autosol. Once a year I remove them and give them a good going over on the rag wheel.
These shots were taken about 6 mths ago on a trip so they were not even particularly clean or recently polished.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2869/11955823385_404c85e509_c.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/11956620226_347bc7e354_c.jpg)
Yes, I am very happy with them and think the quality exceeds expectations for the relatively cheap price. They are well built, have lasted well and I expect many more years from them.
What rear brake is this ? :good2:
Quote from: scotiafj on January 04, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
What rear brake is this ? :good2:
Mid 90's FZR600R
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on January 04, 2015, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: scotiafj on January 04, 2015, 02:02:10 PM
What rear brake is this ? :good2:
Mid 90's FZR600R
Noel
....and how is it anchored? Did you weld a tab on your swing arm?
I'll be able to make comments on the Delkevic Collector system soon. Have just removed the Staintune system and was surprised hoe easily it came off.
I did notice the RH rear silencer hanger frame bracket has had a belt and will need straightening - that might explain the slightly odd/uncomfortable right boot feeling ??
Today I fitted the Delkevic 4 - 2 down pipes and collector box to my 92 FJ1200.
I took a few photos of areas that might need some work for it to fit with the lower fairing.
Re use of the original centre mount bushes, exhaust header collars and nuts is required. It is supplied with new copper ring type gaskets. I held these it place with a ring of high temp RTV applied to the inner side.
First off I fitted the down pipes into the collector box. They come with nice graphite bushes and the clamps on the collector box look to be good quality items - not your average hose clip. There are also 2 larger graphite sealing bushes for the silencer connections. (I haven't fitted the silencers (Staintune items) on yet as I'm waiting for some adjustable dog bones to arrive for the relay arm, after the Thunderace conversion.
Initially, fitment was a bit of a juggling act and would be much easier with two people, I couldn't get the collector box to seat up at the back mount.
This was caused by the heat shields on either side fouling the rear lower fairing brackets.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010065_zpsa2271935.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010065_zpsa2271935.jpg.html)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010066_zps9f65e4d1.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010066_zps9f65e4d1.jpg.html)
These were removed and then it was a case of manipulating everything into place, starting the bottom mount bolt then tightening the header nuts to seat all 4 pipes then tightening the bottom bolt and finally the 4 clamps on the collector box that hold the headers.
I then re fitted the heat shields. The LH side went on with no problem, but the RH side one still fouled the bracket and I cut a section out for clearance.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010067_zps7cc55f3b.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010067_zps7cc55f3b.jpg.html)
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010068_zps8624a5c4.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010068_zps8624a5c4.jpg.html)
I'm not sure whether these heat shield will interfere with the lower fairing yet and I'll be checking that tomorrow, all being well.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010069_zps916d7f86.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010069_zps916d7f86.jpg.html)
All in all relatively easy to fit and gets my thumbs up for quality too.
Quote from: FJools on January 15, 2015, 03:17:26 AM
Today I fitted the Delkevic 4 - 2 down pipes and collector box to my 92 FJ1200.
...... It is supplied with new copper ring type gaskets. I held these it place with a ring of high temp RTV applied to the inner side.
Initially, fitment was a bit of a juggling act and would be much easier with two people, I couldn't get the collector box to seat up at the back mount.
This was caused by the heat shields on either side fouling the rear lower fairing brackets.
I then re fitted the heat shields. The LH side went on with no problem, but the RH side one still fouled the bracket and I cut a section out for clearance.
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I'm not sure whether these heat shield will interfere with the lower fairing yet and I'll be checking that tomorrow, all being well.
[img width=640
(http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010069_zps916d7f86.jpg.html)
From the photo, it looks like they could interfere with the belly pan but even if they don't you might want to give the cut out a bit more clearance to stop any vibration transferring to the frame.
You can also get those gaskets to stay in place by squashing them ever so slightly out of round in you hand.
Noel
I fitted the belly pan yesterday, and it just required some stand offs at the rear mount. Not a bad thing in itself as it keeps the plastic off the exhaust.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010035_zps863b4857.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010035_zps863b4857.jpg.html)
Quote from: FJools on January 16, 2015, 05:06:06 PM
I fitted the belly pan yesterday, and it just required some stand offs at the rear mount. Not a bad thing in itself as it keeps the plastic off the exhaust.
That's a good bit of lateral thinking. The system looks great, what sort of cans are you fitting to it?
Noel
Hi Noel,
I'll be fitting the Staintune cans for now. I like them, they don't interfere with jetting and are a reasonable sounding pipe.
I'm just contemplating whether to trust the welded temporary dog bones and take it for a spin around the block.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010037_zps5531cd29.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010037_zps5531cd29.jpg.html)
Quote from: FJools on January 16, 2015, 05:42:49 PM
Hi Noel,
I'm just contemplating whether to trust the welded temporary dog bones and take it for a spin around the block.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010037_zps5531cd29.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010037_zps5531cd29.jpg.html)
You obviously know how to weld and that is as good as a butt join gets, but............ it's
still a butt join!
It's a very good weld and if were me, I'd take it for a spin, just avoid any big pot holes. :biggrin:
Do you have the Staintunes with removeable or fixed baffle?
Did you give that heatshield a whisker more clearance of the belly pan mounting tab?
Looking Good!
Noel
Quote from: FJools on January 16, 2015, 05:06:06 PM
I fitted the belly pan yesterday, and it just required some stand offs at the rear mount. Not a bad thing in itself as it keeps the plastic off the exhaust.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f202/Jools58/FJ1200/P1010035_zps863b4857.jpg) (http://s48.photobucket.com/user/Jools58/media/FJ1200/P1010035_zps863b4857.jpg.html)
I do wonder if it might drag under exuberant cornering loads.
Just a thought.
Quote from: ribbert on January 16, 2015, 06:51:10 PM
You obviously know how to weld and that is as good as a butt join gets, but............ it's still a butt join!
It's a very good weld and if were me, I'd take it for a spin, just avoid any big pot holes. :biggrin:
Do you have the Staintunes with removeable or fixed baffle?
Did you give that heatshield a whisker more clearance of the belly pan mounting tab?
Looking Good!
Noel
Noel,
thanks, I'm self taught and I was pretty chuffed with that effort especially as it was just my stick welder !
I think its a confidence thing with welding, once you get the knack it gets easier with better results.
I made up a jig with M12 bolts that held both ends at the correct distance. These were the Thunderace dog bones at 165mm crs.
Both were bolted together and 65mm cut out. When they were put in the jig they butted up perfect, then a shallow chamfer was ground each side before welding up.
As usual, preparation takes 20 times the time to actually weld them together.
WRT the heat shield - there is clearance around the frame bracket although it doesn't seem so in the photo. The shield holes are also slotted so there is a bit of give there if required.
I'm not sure if the Staintunes have removeable baffles - it doesn't look obvious that there is something that can be removed. What am I looking for?
Hi Ed
not sure - I'll let you know :smile:
Quote from: simi_ed on January 16, 2015, 07:42:09 PM
I do wonder if it might drag under exuberant cornering loads.
Just a thought.
I've hit mine a few times, with a raised back end, but they are not lean angles you would intentionally go looking for on the road.
At this angle, your mind has already moved on from dealing with the corner to how the accident is going to unfold :biggrin:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5268/5686768623_655da54115_z.jpg)
(BTW Jeff, you will notice my bike is dirty in this photo)
This is what the older Staintune mufflers look like, the baffle can't be removed and they are very quiet. The later ones have removeable baffles.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7278/7549156726_fe12d04b11_c.jpg)
Noel
FJools said, "I'm not sure if the Staintunes have removeable baffles - it doesn't look obvious that there is something that can be removed. What am I looking for?"
Usually, you'll see a screw or bolt head on the underside of the muffler tip. Once this is removed, you can wiggle the baffle or noise restricter out.
Thanks Arnie & Noel.
Mine look like the non removable type then.
Well, the adjustable dog bones turned up unexpectedly just now. I was expecting them tomorrow.
As soon as I unpacked them I knew I was going to have problems. They are quite chunky, designed for a Suzuki Hirebus, and at their shortest setting they are at least 25mm too long. The eyelets are substantial which meant that the relay arm bolts would be too short and I suspect the turnbuckle body, being 17mm hex har, is likely to foul the lower strut bolt.
To get these to length I would have to remove approx. 15mm from each end of the turnbuckle (LH/RH threads) and shorten the rod ends by around 20mm each. Too much hassle and I don't have the time as I'm off to the international Challenge at Phillip Island tomorrow.
So I've bitten the bullet and ordered some 98mm long Lust Racing dog bones.
Disappointed but probably par for the course !
Quote from: FJools on January 18, 2015, 11:41:22 PM
Well, the adjustable dog bones turned up unexpectedly just now........
As soon as I unpacked them I knew I was going to have problems.
Disappointed ......
Bummer.
They say most of the fun is in the anticipation, I guess you just get to have a few more days fun!
Noel
Yeah,
I need the rest !!
Newsflash............
just come to fit the Staintunes to the Delkevic headers...............and they don't !
Despite their assurances, so I'm trying to cut a deal with them for some silencers. Which ones are best for the 92 model that won't require any carb changes ??
Quote from: FJools on January 28, 2015, 01:12:40 AM
Newsflash............
just come to fit the Staintunes to the Delkevic headers...............and they don't !
Despite their assurances, so I'm trying to cut a deal with them for some silencers. Which ones are best for the 92 model that won't require any carb changes ??
If you still have the stock airbox you should not need any jetting changes. What does not fit? Are the tube sizes wrong?
The diameter of the outside of the Delkevic collector outlet pipe is the same as the outside of the silencer.
The Delkevic also has a graphite collar that fits over the pipe which will not even fit into the Staintune pipe as it is about 5mm larger in diameter overall.
It was getting dark and I just threw the spanners on the bench !
I'm an idiot !!
I just had another look at this and it all measures up as if it will fit if I remove the graphite seal..............
Its surprising what a good nights sleep will do :morning1:
Maybe not..................
Although I managed to get the silencers onto the collector outlets, the silencer brackets would no longer line up with the frame mounts.
I slackened the entire header and collector box mounts but this made no difference.
I removed everything and began by assembling from the back this time. Loosely fitting the silencers to the collector box and fitting the silencers to the frame mounts (loose). This would not allow the bottom bolt to fit as the collector box outlets hit the frame cross rail. With some persuasion I managed to eventually get this bolt in but then the headers would not line up at the cylinder head, even with everything loose.
I had to resort to a jack under the collector box to try to get the front end raised enough for the headers to enter. With everything tightened up the collector box outlet fouls the drive chain and the whole system vibrates like it is rubbing everywhere when the engine is revved.
I'm not convinced the down pipes are sealing properly at the collector box either. Maybe after I've done a test run it will tighten up better after getting hot.
I'm even considering removing it and fitting the original system as I'm not happy. Maybe some Delkevic Silencers would fit and solve the problems ???
http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RPMHeader (http://www.rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RPMHeader)
Bolts right on. No fussing and no cussing.
Maybe you can contact a fellow member in the Denver, CO. area and pick these mufflers up and ship them to you.
http://denver.craigslist.org/mpo/4867521829.html (http://denver.craigslist.org/mpo/4867521829.html)
Fred
The guys at Delkevic here have been quite helpful and I've sent them photos.
I will probably end up with a pair of their silencers, but he was sympathetic to my problems and will cut me a deal, so he says.
Lets see what that means. I started polishing the old system up just in case !
Quote from: FJools on January 29, 2015, 11:40:22 PM
The guys at Delkevic here have been quite helpful and I've sent them photos.
I will probably end up with a pair of their silencers, but he was sympathetic to my problems and will cut me a deal, so he says.
Lets see what that means. I started polishing the old system up just in case !
I've had Delkevic oval 450(ish)mm SS slip ons for years and love them. They still look better than new, and the note is fantastic. I ran them without the baffles for a couple of years but eventually conceded they were a bit loud under hard throttle and high revs. I have had the baffles back in for a few years now and love it. I've probably done 60 or 70K on them with no sign of internal deterioration or cosmetic wear.
I also like the look of twin pipes. Even with substantial scraping and denting the casing shows no sign springing or loosening up anywhere, and, they're relatively cheap.
They come highly recommended from me.
Noel
That good to know Noel.
I can't ride it as it is. I took it around the block and the noise just made me turn around and go looking for something else. The way its forced the silencers in towards the chain is compensated for the jug ear appearance of the silencers from the back.
Those cans you have are the ones I'm considering.
Jools
in my bike i use honda blackbird silencers, they seem to work guite fine, but they are quite bulky.
Quote from: 1tinindian on August 31, 2011, 09:01:01 PM
I can't comment on the collector, as I haven't bought one....YET! But the mufflers of theirs are top quality with a very nice sound.
These are the mid length mufflers offered for the XJR1300.
Leon
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/1tinindian/Motorcycles/100_4519.jpg)
1991 Yamaha FJ1200 walk around (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUuldx7A0yY#)
2 summers ago I bought Delkevic slip n's for my 1989 FJ1200. The pipes they used to connect the mufflers to the FJ collector were not bent at the correct angles and the mufflers were impossible to mount. Also the natal was VERY thin. Delvevic was awesome about refunding my money and I have no complaints about their service. THis makes me wonder if I just got a bad set or if they have changed something.
Quote from: Ed Ramberger on February 07, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
2 summers ago I bought Delkevic slip n's for my 1989 FJ1200. The pipes they used to connect the mufflers to the FJ collector were not bent at the correct angles and the mufflers were impossible to mount. Also the natal was VERY thin. Delvevic was awesome about refunding my money and I have no complaints about their service. THis makes me wonder if I just got a bad set or if they have changed something.
I think you'll find there are many members who have Delkevic slip ons that are very happy with them, myself included. This very topic has just been discussed again recently. The mid pipes do require a bit of fiddling though but can be made to work. My solution wast to swap the L&R pipes over.
Yes, the casing is thin, but it's SS, it doesn't need to be thick because it's strong and it won't rust. Unless you plan on hitting something with them, it shouldn't matter. It's not an indicator of poor quality.
Mine have around 60k-70k on them now and still look as good as the day I fitted them and I love the exhaust note. They have hit the road a number of times with no loosening or distortion and I have dropped it on both sides without dents or scratches.
I reckon they're great and particularly good value for the money.
Noel
Quote from: ribbert on February 07, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Ramberger on February 07, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
2 summers ago I bought Delkevic slip n's for my 1989 FJ1200. The pipes they used to connect the mufflers to the FJ collector were not bent at the correct angles and the mufflers were impossible to mount. Also the natal was VERY thin. Delvevic was awesome about refunding my money and I have no complaints about their service. THis makes me wonder if I just got a bad set or if they have changed something.
I think you'll find there are many members who have Delkevic slip ons that are very happy with them, myself included. This very topic has just been discussed again recently. The mid pipes do require a bit of fiddling though but can be made to work. My solution wast to swap the L&R pipes over.
Yes, the casing is thin, but it's SS, it doesn't need to be thick because it's strong and it won't rust. Unless you plan on hitting something with them, it shouldn't matter. It's not an indicator of poor quality.
Mine have around 60k-70k on them now and still look as good as the day I fitted them and I love the exhaust note. They have hit the road a number of times with no loosening or distortion and I have dropped it on both sides without dents or scratches.
I reckon they're great and particularly good value for the money.
Noel
Thanks - I swapped the pipes side to side, rotated them, rotated the mufflers - about the only thing I didn't do was rub them with a bloody chicken food while reciting voodoo chants. Something was absolutely wrong. Like I said they were great about the return. I sent them an email tonight to see about trying this once more.
Quote from: Ed Ramberger on February 07, 2015, 11:23:30 PM
Quote from: ribbert on February 07, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Ramberger on February 07, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
2 summers ago I bought Delkevic slip n's for my 1989 FJ1200. The pipes they used to connect the mufflers to the FJ collector were not bent at the correct angles and the mufflers were impossible to mount. Also the natal was VERY thin. Delvevic was awesome about refunding my money and I have no complaints about their service. THis makes me wonder if I just got a bad set or if they have changed something.
I think you'll find there are many members who have Delkevic slip ons that are very happy with them, myself included. This very topic has just been discussed again recently. The mid pipes do require a bit of fiddling though but can be made to work. My solution wast to swap the L&R pipes over.
Yes, the casing is thin, but it's SS, it doesn't need to be thick because it's strong and it won't rust. Unless you plan on hitting something with them, it shouldn't matter. It's not an indicator of poor quality.
Mine have around 60k-70k on them now and still look as good as the day I fitted them and I love the exhaust note. They have hit the road a number of times with no loosening or distortion and I have dropped it on both sides without dents or scratches.
I reckon they're great and particularly good value for the money.
Noel
Thanks - I swapped the pipes side to side, rotated them, rotated the mufflers - about the only thing I didn't do was rub them with a bloody chicken food while reciting voodoo chants. Something was absolutely wrong. Like I said they were great about the return. I sent them an email tonight to see about trying this once more.
You'd reckon with the users just on this forum they would make mid pipes to suit the FJ, they wouldn't have to sell too many to break even.
I bought mine about a 1 month old on ebay. They came with mid pipes the guy had made up at an exhaust shop. Perfect fit, leave the centre stand on (even had the stand stop on the LH pipe.
Being impatient, I fitted the system with the FJR/XJR (whatever pipes Delkevic send with them) while I had the custom pipes chromed.
That was 4 or 5 year ago and I've never seen those pipes since, they disappeared into a black hole somewhere in my garage.
Hope you get it sorted, they look great and you'll love the sound.
Noel
I bought a full Delkevic system about 12 months ago for my '93 FJ from ebay Australia, they were advertised as fitting '92 to '96 models (I see they still are) i.e. the rubber-mounted engine models. I also had fitting problems due to the connector pipes. The down pipes and collector box were fine, but the connector pipes were too long and I couldn't get the mufflers to mount up to the mounting point behind the footrest plate even with every thing pushed as far forward as it would go. I didn't want to use the footrest mount because I thought there might be vibration issues. I emailed the seller and to be fair he tried to do as much as he could including offering a full refund and passing photos between me and the factory, the ones that are posted here. The factory were supposed to be looking into the problem but apparently couldn't find a late model FJ to take measurements. I was told I would be sent new connector pipes as soon as the problem was solved, which hasn't happened yet 12 months later. As they are still being advertised for these models either the problem still exists or it has been fixed and I was never sent the new connector pipes.
Anyway I decided to play with what I had and cut the pipes down about 20mm either end, as much as I could take off while still leaving enough straight section to mount the mufflers and collector box to, and re-cut the slots in the collector end so they would still clamp up tight, this was all done with an angle grinder so isn't very pretty. This moves the mufflers forward enough to be able to use the original mounting point, another 15mm shorter would have been ideal that would have brought the end of the muffler just under the angle in the footrest plate and I think would look a bit better and moved the muffler bracket a bit further along the muffler. I thought there might be a problem with the mufflers over hanging the brackets as much as they do but I think because they are quite light this hasn't been issue at all.
I couldn't get the cover plates to fit on the collector box because the chin fairing brackets interfere as someone has already said and the plates also now foul on the shortened collector pipes because they bend straight out of the collector box. These are not really needed on the FJ if the chin fairing is fitted anyway and are only a cosmetic feature to tidy up the collector box, which I think points to the fact this system was designed for the XJR not the FJ, and nobody at the factory has bothered to try fitting it up to a late model FJ. Unfortunately my chin fairing has cracked and needs major repairs, so this area looks a bit messy on mine.
Another clue that this system has never been fitted to an FJ at the factory is that the centre stand stop is nowhere near where it should. Others have also had issues with the centre stand, mine retracts fully, again maybe due to the modified pipes, but I have had to wrap rubber around the stand so that the bottom of the dogbone acts as the stop, the best solution I've come up with so far anyway. I could get a new one welded on and cut the original one off but I still live in hope that on day the factory will send me the proper pipes. WTF, that was either a very large bird or a pig just went past the window.
So all in all, it would be a first class system at a very good price if only the factory would listen to it's customers and fix the link pipes to suit the FJ, not a great expense I would have thought, but I guess there are too few of us overall to matter.
John
Quote from: aussiefj on February 08, 2015, 03:36:34 AM
So all in all, it would be a first class system at a very good price if only the factory would listen to it's customers and fix the link pipes to suit the FJ, not a great expense I would have thought, but I guess there are too few of us overall to matter.
John
I feel your pain John and as I said earlier, it would not be much of an investment on their part to make intermediate pipes to suit the FJ. I didn't realise they were advertising them as suitable for the FJ.
4000 members on this forum alone, goodness knows how many worldwide. I would have thought it was worth their while to tap that market. The silly part is, they make headers and collectors already which are FJ specific.
I wouldn't worry too much about the overhang aft of the bracket, mine have been like this for years, corrugations, dirt roads, roads with pot holes that knock the breath out you. I have had no problem with the bracket there. I originally had the same concern but it's not an issue.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3800/11956620226_e33199db1c_z.jpg)
These are mine with about 60,000kms on themI also prefer where the muffler sits in relation to the bike with the bracket there.
It's a shame they can't/won't fix it up, they are very good value for money and there's a lot of FJ's out there.
Noel
Hi Noel, looks good for 60,000 k's mate, there are definitely no issues with quality. I emailed the company last night re the problem mentioning this thread to try and stir the pot a bit so we will see if they respond.
John
Quote from: ribbert on February 07, 2015, 05:55:53 PM
Quote from: Ed Ramberger on February 07, 2015, 12:24:29 PM
2 summers ago I bought Delkevic slip n's for my 1989 FJ1200. The pipes they used to connect the mufflers to the FJ collector were not bent at the correct angles and the mufflers were impossible to mount. Also the natal was VERY thin. Delvevic was awesome about refunding my money and I have no complaints about their service. THis makes me wonder if I just got a bad set or if they have changed something.
I think you'll find there are many members who have Delkevic slip ons that are very happy with them, myself included. This very topic has just been discussed again recently. The mid pipes do require a bit of fiddling though but can be made to work. My solution wast to swap the L&R pipes over.
Yes, the casing is thin, but it's SS, it doesn't need to be thick because it's strong and it won't rust. Unless you plan on hitting something with them, it shouldn't matter. It's not an indicator of poor quality.
Mine have around 60k-70k on them now and still look as good as the day I fitted them and I love the exhaust note. They have hit the road a number of times with no loosening or distortion and I have dropped it on both sides without dents or scratches.
I reckon they're great and particularly good value for the money.
Noel
Well I sent Delkevic customer service a nice note saying I would again like to try their mufflers. I gave them my old info and explained I had never received info on why it didn't fit. I never heard a peep back. Perhaps they are so buyt they don't need my $400.00
Hi Ed,
I've found the same thing I emailed Delkevic 10 days ago, as I said in my earlier post, and have heard nothing back obviously they don't give a crap about customer service, which is a pity because their agent in Oz (Delkevic.au) has bent over backwards to try and help out. When I first had the problem he offered a full refund etc. straight away, but I decided to play around with them and send him photos to pass onto the factory to see if we could sort it out. After about 3 weeks the best Delkevic could come up with is that they couldn't find a late model FJ to have a look at. By that time I had managed to to get it to fit, although the centre stand stop is useless, as shown in my photos.
When this topic came up and I emailed Delkevic I also emailed their Aussie agent at the same time to see if he had heard anything from the factory, he hasn't but he sent me another set of link pipes to see if they were any better, 3CV ones, the centre stand stop was closer but still not correct.
If Delkevic would put in the same effort as their agents they would have a first class product, as it is it's let down by seemingly non existent after sales service from the company itself. It's obviously not worth their time to reply to a member of a forum that has over 4000 potential customers.
I should have been a bit more patient in the first place and waited till Randy at RPM had his system on the market, but it's easy to be wise after the fact.
John.
At the end of this discussion I'm unsure if a set of Delkevic slip-ons is a straight fit on a 88 model 3cv?
Can anybody set me right?
Cheers Ian.
Quote from: bikemad on January 01, 2016, 08:50:32 PM
At the end of this discussion I'm unsure if a set of Delkevic slip-ons is a straight fit on a 88 model 3cv?
Can anybody set me right?
Cheers Ian.
Ian my Delkevic collector did not fit well, on my 3CV 1989 model when I tried it two years ago, the heat shields would not fit as well. I did use it eventually but later I decided a new pipe was the way to go and to be honest that was the best decision. I still have the collector if you want to see if it works before you buy one, I'm in Perth, PM me.
John
I have the collector and the mid-size mufflers on mine ('92 3XW), fit without a hitch. Look and sound excellent. I find it runs better with the db killers in.
The collector fitting point, where it hangs off the engine, broke, and I had to re-weld it.
Bill.
Most of the posts re this seem to be based the fit to a 1200.
Here's a quick summary of fitting off to an 84 1100.
I contacted Delkevic about it and was advised the mid pipes would need modification, but collector and headers should be ok.
This was true, header & collector fitted without a problem.
Mid pipes did require adjustment. I'm crap at that, so off to the local (car) muffler mob for them to do it nice & neat.
Fit off was super easy.
I needed to make a bracket to extend from the proper footpeg muffler mounting point to the strapping bracket on the mufflers.
All very simple.
The next part has been quite interesting.
Below is a chart of several dyno runs combined. This was with Yamaha OEM mufflers on, then Delkevics with DB bungs out, and Finally with DB bungs in.
The bike is essentially mechanically unmodified with factory standard jetting, gearing, etc and with either 70k or 170k on the clock.
First run with OEM mufflers we got to just over 100 horses with just over 65 foot pounds on the torque.
Second run with Delkevic mufflers on, but the DB bungs removed, we made 108 horses and just under 70 foot pounds of torque.
Third run with the DB bungs in, was almost the same with fractionally better torque.
To conclude, the Delkevics weigh far less than the OEM. They do add about 8% power. DB bungs in or out your choice, they make no performance difference. Downside is extra effort/cost/hassle getting the mid pipes to fit.
Overall, probably worth doing & pretty good value for money.
One last point, off the Delkevic topic, the mysterious rev limiter....as you can see in the chart mine kicks in at 10k, but, quite interestingly, the tacho on the bike kept moving up to 12k on every run. None of the other bikes had a rev limiter (we've done about 5 other FJ's on this particular dyno now).
Lots of good info there and 8bhp and 5ft lbs of torque are not to be sneezed at(and probably half the weight)!!
Was it a lot louder with the db killers removed?
I know with a Yoshi pipe I had fitted to a Yamaha FZ1(2003 model that was jetted up to suit) that it ran better with the db killer fitted.
The bike did not surge on part throttle.
Cheers Ian.
G'day Ian, not much change from my ear. A little nicer note perhaps, sure a tad louder, but not much. One comment was (without the bungs) it sounded a little 'droney', but that was in the dyno booth.
My personal preference is bungs in, seems to sound a bit throatier (I love deep throats :sarcastic:). But my opinion varies by day.
The bungs are so easy to remove that you can likely suit your mood.
Quote from: Troyskie on January 10, 2016, 02:24:46 AM
G'day Ian, not much change from my ear. A little nicer note perhaps, sure a tad louder, but not much. One comment was (without the bungs) it sounded a little 'droney', but that was in the dyno booth.
My personal preference is bungs in, seems to sound a bit throatier (I love deep throats :sarcastic:). But my opinion varies by day.
The bungs are so easy to remove that you can likely suit your mood.
Troy, it takes quite a while for them to "find their voice" Having done so, the noise level then remains consistent. My note changed in tone (better) and got a little louder probably up to the first 10k then remained the same ever since.
I also couldn't decide on baffles in/out and kept changing them but over time the decision was made for me with it becoming too loud with them out. Full throttle and high revs was just plain too noisy, and attracted too much attention.
I love the sound of them now, perfect!
I also like the period look of them, no muffler on the LHS never looks quite right to me.
Noel
My 350 mm Delkevic arrived today. :dance2: :dance2: :dance2:
Now I have to wait for better weather. For whole week pouring rain outside....
I am seriously considering taking my Kerker 4-into-1 system off the FJ, and getting a pair of their slip-ons. (mine is an '89)
Since their US headquarters is here in Denver, I am probably going to ride the FJ over there and make sure their pipes fit properly.
I don't know if the ('91-up) FJs would use the same ones, but maybe they can take the proper measurements off of mine.
I could probably leave the bike with them if they need it for a week or whatever. I may be able to find a ('91-up) FJ to run over there with me also when the weather warms up.
Maybe they would be interested in engineering proper fitting extension pipes, if we could supply them with the bikes? :unknown:
+1. :good2: That is a great idea...... Even better would be if the weather forecast is crappy, so you wont miss the bike being gone.
Fred
I mistakenly said mine is an '89. It's a '90. My Bad. :pardon: ('89 and '90 should be the same)
I need to free up some garage space, and start putting stuff in my new shed, so I have room to work on it.
A quick look at their website shows their slip-ons for FJ as fitting only (3CV) "89-"91
I don't think this is correct, as this picture shows.
My '90 has the muffler mount after the rear foot-peg.
Leon's '91 mounts the muffler before the rear foot-peg (I think this is the same as '92-up?)
(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab154/firehawk068/Rally%20photos/2015%20Black%20Hills%20Rally/B3860287-66BC-4A1C-9DB5-1EF7DBE96314_zpstnldjwbt.jpg) (http://s859.photobucket.com/user/firehawk068/media/Rally%20photos/2015%20Black%20Hills%20Rally/B3860287-66BC-4A1C-9DB5-1EF7DBE96314_zpstnldjwbt.jpg.html)
This could be part of the reason they are getting the fit wrong. :unknown:
Anyway, I'll contact them and see if they have any interest in fixing their fitment issues.
Once I get some space freed up, I'll put my stock system back on, and take it over there.
I'll probably be cleaning up the Kerker system and putting it up for sale if anyone is interested.
Quote from: MOTOMYSZOR on February 08, 2016, 04:42:12 AM
My 350 mm Delkevic arrived today. :dance2: :dance2: :dance2:
Now I have to wait for better weather. For whole week pouring rain outside....
Which model type did you order ??
Quote from: FJools on February 08, 2016, 02:43:05 PM
Which model type did you order ??
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/350mm-Inox-Ovale-Silencieux-Pot-Echappement-Yamaha-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/151382184113?hash=item233f14d0b1 (http://www.ebay.ie/itm/350mm-Inox-Ovale-Silencieux-Pot-Echappement-Yamaha-FJ1200-3CV-89-90-/151382184113?hash=item233f14d0b1)
Weather is extremely sh....ty :bad: So I just managed to check how it will fit. Surprisingly the only issue is hanging point so all I need is proper bracket.
Will be excellent once they are fitted up
Road test done ;) :yes:
For proper fitting I had to make only two brackets. I am surprised because centre stand retracts back to acceptable level and even rubber holder on middle pipe is in right position....
Without DB killers is loud but not too loud, and sound is very similar to Subaru Impreza......
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/9/4406_18_02_16_7_59_17.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/9/4406_18_02_16_8_00_28_2.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/9/4406_18_02_16_8_00_28_1.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/9/4406_18_02_16_8_00_28_0.jpeg)
Today I had finally weather good enough to do longer road test.
No mater what RPM, cold or hot everything is perfect: almost no popping from exhaust (only when I push her hard), smooth reaction on change in throttle position on motorway or in city.... Any bleep tests.... all OK.
Engine stars on button no matter cold or hot....
But engine temperature meter shows average 5 degrees more then before on motorway. Also I believe that in city temperature rise quicker.....
Should I be worried about temperature raise?
Just in case: I have UNI air filter and stock jets in carbs. Just changed needle position and pilot screw 3,5 turns out.
A higher temp suggests being lean. What pipe did you have before?
Quote from: FJmonkey on March 11, 2016, 10:06:52 AM
A higher temp suggests being lean. What pipe did you have before?
It was Motoda Neta exhaust system
A quick search of that pipe shows it replaces original pipes without rejetting. If the Delvic pipe is less restrictive then you did make things a bit leaner. You might need to go larger on your main jets. My '86 ran well when it was real lean. Maybe Randy can offer some jetting advice. Others have installed Delvic systems with pods, maybe they can say what jets or changes they made.
I put a Dynojet in mine, with Stage 1 jetting; 3 turns out on all idle mix screws.
Also have an ignition advancer, and K&N replacement Filter.
I have kept the "silencers" in, as I find it runs better that way.
Overall runs very well.
I can't find on internet any information about difference in engine temperature after exhaust upgrade......
On old exhaust motorway temperature was 80*C and after exhaust change it rose up to 85*C. So it is still pretty low for an FJ. In traffic will quickly raise up to 100*C - 110*C.
My plan is:
-First to compare engine temperature with or without DB killers - I am relay curios if that will make any difference....
-Then turn out pilot screws 4 turns and rise needles and again test temperatures.
If that will be not enough I will change float level (23mm) and main jets to 115.
Why not go to an auto-tune shop, and get your exhaust gas analysed. That should tell you if you're running lean or not.
Maybe it is not running lean, but running like it should.
Quote from: Troyskie on January 09, 2016, 05:06:22 PM
Most of the posts re this seem to be based the fit to a 1200.
Here's a quick summary of fitting off to an 84 1100.
I contacted Delkevic about it and was advised the mid pipes would need modification, but collector and headers should be ok.
This was true, header & collector fitted without a problem.
Mid pipes did require adjustment. I'm crap at that, so off to the local (car) muffler mob for them to do it nice & neat.
Fit off was super easy.
I needed to make a bracket to extend from the proper footpeg muffler mounting point to the strapping bracket on the mufflers.
All very simple.
The next part has been quite interesting.
Below is a chart of several dyno runs combined. This was with Yamaha OEM mufflers on, then Delkevics with DB bungs out, and Finally with DB bungs in.
The bike is essentially mechanically unmodified with factory standard jetting, gearing, etc and with either 70k or 170k on the clock.
First run with OEM mufflers we got to just over 100 horses with just over 65 foot pounds on the torque.
Second run with Delkevic mufflers on, but the DB bungs removed, we made 108 horses and just under 70 foot pounds of torque.
Third run with the DB bungs in, was almost the same with fractionally better torque.
To conclude, the Delkevics weigh far less than the OEM. They do add about 8% power. DB bungs in or out your choice, they make no performance difference. Downside is extra effort/cost/hassle getting the mid pipes to fit.
Overall, probably worth doing & pretty good value for money.
One last point, off the Delkevic topic, the mysterious rev limiter....as you can see in the chart mine kicks in at 10k, but, quite interestingly, the tacho on the bike kept moving up to 12k on every run. None of the other bikes had a rev limiter (we've done about 5 other FJ's on this particular dyno now).
As from before the above is with factory jetting and settings, from the dyno chart (until the sniffer came out) the mixture is perfect.
In summary, the Delkevic is a straight swap for factory jet & set, bungs in or out.
Troyskie
Tests done.
With or without DB killer - 85*C. And quick temperature rise in city.
After changes in carburettors: back to 79-80*C. And much slower temperature rise in city. Also response for throttle is much stronger. Last benefit - much more bass from exhaust :good:
Engine temperature gauge is more useful than I thought....
For few last days I tried discover what is better option: change main jets from standard to 120 or rise jet needle.....
I can not find on internet answer good enough......
Maybe someone have knowledge what is the difference between those two methods, and I mean with one is better for small adjustments?
Follow this:
http://www.factorypro.com/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_carbtune,CV,high_rpm_engines.html (http://www.factorypro.com/tech_tuning_procedures/tuning_carbtune,CV,high_rpm_engines.html)
You will drive yourself crazy if you don't follow these ^^ steps in order.
In a nutshell: Select best Main jet first, then needle position, finally pilot jets and air/fuel needle adjustment.
So....if you are certain your main jets are good at 3/4 to 4/4 WFO......play with your needle position.