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this is a question that was raised by Burns in another thread, but one id also be interested to know the answer.

for my xjr13, the rev limiter kicks in at about redline, and the engine wont pull past 10 grand.

in the past on other sites some legends guys have commented that their limiters come in after 10k, and Pat (I think) has said that his 12 goes past 10k without noticing a limiter.

so the question is, if anyone knows that is, what are, if there are, the different rev limits across the range of fj's?

id be interested to know as its possible that it may be worth my while to go to a higher limit, if it can be done economically, to maximise top end power for the drags.

so, does anyone know?

k

Quote from: jr1349 on September 07, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
this is a question that was raised by Burns in another thread, but one id also be interested to know the answer.

for my xjr13, the rev limiter kicks in at about redline, and the engine wont pull past 10 grand.

in the past on other sites some legends guys have commented that their limiters come in after 10k, and Pat (I think) has said that his 12 goes past 10k without noticing a limiter.

so the question is, if anyone knows that is, what are, if there are, the different rev limits across the range of fj's?

id be interested to know as its possible that it may be worth my while to go to a higher limit, if it can be done economically, to maximise top end power for the drags.

so, does anyone know?

k

I know that is common to set up some race bikes to wind up well over their max-power rpm.  Those motors make less power at the top of their rev range than they do a bit lower in their "sweet spot" but there are track conditions (especially dirt flat track I'm told) where that is called for.

I'd guess that with the same cam/exhaust etc spinning your motor tighter will probably not make more power. Just a guess though.

Quote from: Burns on September 07, 2014, 01:17:49 PM

Quote from: jr1349 on September 07, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
this is a question that was raised by Burns in another thread, but one id also be interested to know the answer.

for my xjr13, the rev limiter kicks in at about redline, and the engine wont pull past 10 grand.

in the past on other sites some legends guys have commented that their limiters come in after 10k, and Pat (I think) has said that his 12 goes past 10k without noticing a limiter.

so the question is, if anyone knows that is, what are, if there are, the different rev limits across the range of fj's?

id be interested to know as its possible that it may be worth my while to go to a higher limit, if it can be done economically, to maximise top end power for the drags.

so, does anyone know?

k

I know that is common to set up some race bikes to wind up well over their max-power rpm.  Those motors make less power at the top of their rev range than they do a bit lower in their "sweet spot" but there are track conditions (especially dirt flat track I'm told) where that is called for.

I'd guess that with the same cam/exhaust etc spinning your motor tighter will probably not make more power. Just a guess though.

only one way to find out, eh Burns?

where your max power is can be changed by tuning, ignition timing, but especially jets in my case, but its more about versatility, if for instance, as seems to be the case with my bike, I keep increasing jets and the peak power keeps going up the rev range, as seems to have happened since I've fitted the pods, then being able to utilise that power, if its likely to be happening beyond my current rev limit, is what I'm thinking about with this enquiry, so I'm interested to know if there are any options in the fj range.

realistically, if for instance I was in a position to be making peak power at 11 or 12k, then I would obviously need a programmable ignition system, or at least be able to somehow reset the limit with my current one, in which case the obvious choice would be a full dyna ignition system including the legends ignition plate, where I could set both initial and total advance at will, as well as both a top end and launch rev limit, and possibly have a gear position setting for nitrous, on top of the fact that the dyna coils provide extra spark.

thinking about it, if I find my power output limited by the rev limiter on my bike, then the dyna 2000 is the logical next step, increased revs, spark and tune ability, whilst maintaining my mandate for an internally stock engine, yeah that'll work, but I haven't finished working with the stock ignition yet, just thinking about other more power alternatives, cost effectiveness is the next question though?

k

If you have not upgraded your valve springs, be careful of valve float happening north of 10k.

Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 07, 2014, 09:42:09 PM
If you have not upgraded your valve springs, be careful of valve float happening north of 10k.

will do Pat, gotta get there first, cross that bridge when I come to it I reckon :yes:

only one way to find out, eh Burns?




yep.  You don't know how much power a motor can make until you blow it up.

Quote from: Burns on September 08, 2014, 12:53:26 PM


only one way to find out, eh Burns?




yep.  You don't know how much power a motor can make until you blow it up.

personally I've never blown up an engine, you Burns?

I've torched a few. I don't recommend it.  It's an expensive PITA, every time!  Single cylinder, 4 cylinder, auto V-6, it's all the same.

My 2¢.

personally I've never blown up an engine, you Burns?
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I've tossed a couple of rods in my younger days. One was on a SL125 that I put a 305 Honda piston in. Ran great. Lasted about 10 races.

The "peak" in "peak power" for any motor is the spot just below where it comes unglued. If you are racing (and the rules allow it) you will spend a lot of money finding that spot.  You'll pump it up 'till it breaks then back off to where it lasts long enough to do its job.

If you want to do that with your FJ I suggest you get two - one to ride and one to do the build-and-blow-up boogie

It's a great dance but ya gotta pay the piper. A lot.

Quote from: Burns on September 09, 2014, 11:16:03 AM

I've tossed a couple of rods in my younger days. One was on a SL125 that I put a 305 Honda piston in. Ran great. Lasted about 10 races.

The "peak" in "peak power" for any motor is the spot just below where it comes unglued. If you are racing (and the rules allow it) you will spend a lot of money finding that spot.  You'll pump it up 'till it breaks then back off to where it lasts long enough to do its job.

If you want to do that with your FJ I suggest you get two - one to ride and one to do the build-and-blow-up boogie

It's a great dance but ya gotta pay the piper. A lot.

in my experience there are two ways to blow up engines, ignorance, and incompetence, I suffer from neither afflictions and I go my own way, based on my personal knowledge and experiences, I realise that many don't go their own way, but follow trends (well when it comes to mechanical stuff anyway), that aint me, if I were to suffer a blow up, so be it, I would learn from that experience, and move on.

unfortunately Mr Burns I don't find you to be of particular expertise, clearly that's not your opinion, we are simply going to have to disagree on that.

I started this topic to see if there was much of a knowledge base about rev limiters with the fj/xjr engine format, seeing as there has been little comeback on the topic, I see no reason to indulge you further.

k

I take no offense and certainly do not hold myself out as a master mechanic of anything close to it. But I've been around folks who push their machinery to the limit (the XS650 crowd) and I respect such folk greatly. They tell me every motor HAS a limit (XS650 cases break just North of 70 hp e.g.).  So, like you say, we'll just agree to disagree on that one.

Best of luck on your project(s) and Happy Riding.

I am no expert when it comes to the programming included in the FJ ignition control box, but I do believe I have verified on a few occasions that my 1990 has a rev-limit somewhere around 11,200 rpms.......................at least according to the stock FJ tach.....................
I don't recommend running the engine up that high, nor did I do so intentionally.......................Lets just say that I got a little overzealous with the acceleration a few times getting on the freeway, back when I lived in Phoenix (It had more power before I moved to Denver), and was not watching the tach until it reached the rev limiter.
It takes a tad longer to reach, say....................10,000 rpms up here, so I am more aware of how long it takes to get there.............

Having done a bit of research on engine theory, and design however.....................I believe the peak horsepower,(and more toward your interest) the RPM at which it occurs, is more a factor of intake/exhaust port size/shape, camshaft lobe size/profile/timing, than it has to do with jet sizing or fuel intake.....................Valve size also starts to enter the mix when you start increasing the port sizes, and the camshaft lobe sizes/duration..........
Airflow is the limiting factor when it comes to horsepower...............and I'm pretty sure, at 36mm, the carbs are about the max size our stock FJ/XJR engines will accept, given the port configuration, valve size, and camshaft profiles.........................Some have used 38's successfully, but they have also increased the displacement beyond 1249cc..........................Granted, you need to start adding more fuel if you are increasing the airflow.................
You are not going to change the rpm at which your engine makes peak HP just by tweaking the jet sizes or needle position..............You will be able to maximize the AMOUNT of horsepower at any given rpm by choosing the right settings.................but not the rpm which it occurs.............
When I lived in Phoenix, I had my FJ on a dyno once.................It made peak HP at 8,600 rpms...............Does it make horsepower north of that? Sure.................just not as much.........

If you really want to increase airflow through an engine, and make big HP........................Add a turbocharger..............................Small engines CAN make big HP........
If you want to blow your mind, look up the BMW Formula-1 racing engines from the mid-80s...............
They used production car engine blocks that were "Well Seasoned", and made close to 1,400 HP from a 1500cc 4-cylinder in "Qualifying" trim...................They ran close to 80psi of boost!  :shok:

fella's, this aint my first rodeo.

interesting to know that you've found a rev limit at 11,2 Firehawk, of course, the accuracy of the tacho is relevant, I wonder if the engine actually can rev faster than the tach can read when tuned with all the bolt-ons, from what I've read the legends engines that use fj ignitions found a rev limiter at about 10,2, and from what I can gather their category sealed dyna ignition units are about the same.

which brings me to my next point, ahh the turbo era, imagine where engine technology might be today if turbo's weren't banned in F1 20 odd yrs ago, of course they are back now, but in a whole other capacity, all they would have had to do was limit boost to equalise the competition back then, instead they decided on a 3L V10 engine format of completely exotic engineering, instead of, as you say Firehawk, with some production based components like the bmw engine block, interestingly, Jack Brabham's repco sohc V8 that won one of his teams championships in the late 60's, was based on a buick engine block, and the same casting was used for Holden (GMH) V8 engine blocks down here in oz, obviously, the casting aside, the engineering between the two applications is poles apart.

but like some other particularly well designed production engines, our fj/xjr engines are particularly robust in design, not without weaknesses of course, but still, as a base to work on, particularly for its age and price, an excellent piece of kit to work on, and work hard, just ask the legends guys, I cant even remember the last time I heard of one our fj/xjr engines having a major failure out of the blue.

but what I've noticed since fitting the pods and jetting up is that peak power is going higher up the rev range (from about 8k with the airbox and now about 9K with the pods, and I've only just started tuning them really), and envisage that its possible that I may find that my peak power may actually end up being limited by my 9.5-10k rev limiter, and if so, then id be interested in what options may be available for me to do something about this, hence my enquiry of this thread.

whatever the tuning limitations of my engine in its current state are, I will find them, the technicalities of what should or should not be possible I have no interest in discussing, I've proven to myself many times over the years that a lot of what people tend to believe is only true within certain limited parameters, and that if one simply goes their own way, you find out what is actually possible, so I tend not to very impressed by fear mongering about blow ups, if you know how to run engines safely, blow ups simply don't occur, providing you take the relevant precautions.

I'm not saying I know better than everybody, I have, however, proven over the years that I do know better than many who claim to know a lot though, especially those armed with only hearsay, and not direct personal experience with the hardware and parameters at hand.

personally id be more interested in nitrous than turbo's, if I was going that way, possibly instead of a dyna ignition too as I think they cost about the same, its a bolt on that you don't need to modify your engine for, only tune for, yet delivers similar results, if you know what your doing.

interestingly, I read an article in a local bike mag about a bloke who has a 250hp turbo'd zx12r, or had one 10 years ago, turns out this bike was featured in the very first issue of the mag, so the mag chased this bloke up for their 10th anniversary edition, expecting the bike to no longer be, instead they found the bike rebuilt and making 500hp now, and without nitrous, which is very surprising to me because the only other bloke I've heard of trying to make 500hp out of a street bike was in a similar article I read in a pommie magazine featuring Guy Martin's (of IOM fame) pet project gixxer 11, who was making about 300hp or so but was saying he needed nitrous to make the 500 he was chasing, of course a year or two later I read the zx12r article, sure, neither of these bikes are low budget projects, but its interesting to me how a bloke down here is oz just decided he wanted his 250hp zx12r to do 400kmh, figured he'd need 400hp to do it, but ended up with 500hp, and without nitrous, and these engines aren't much smaller than the 1.5L F1 engines of the turbo era, which made up to 1500hp in qualifying trim, now I'm not thinking anywhere near along the lines of any of these situations, but this does highlight what is possible when one does not take direction, and thinks outside the box.

I'm just gonna tune my engine my way, and see where I end up, hell I'm only trying to get the thing into the tens at the drags, and I was only 0.06s off it with the airbox fitted.
interestingly, with the airbox peak power was about 7.5-8k, I would rev it to 9k in some gears but not in others, whatever seemed to work best, but with a 120 main jet the thing would flood and stall at 7.5k, like it was hitting the limiter hard, I tried to tune around it but didn't manage to change it, so I went down to 117.5 jet, and she pulled straight through to rev limiter at 10 or so k, making the best peak power it ever had with the airbox fitted, so I'm interested to see how much fuel I can give it now, with the pods, and how much quicker it will go, if at all, when I've maximised the tune up with the current engine hardware.

it is what it is gents, this thread was about rev limiters, and nothing else.

k

Quote from: jr1349 on September 10, 2014, 12:16:29 AM
in my experience there are two ways to blow up engines, ignorance, and incompetence, I suffer from neither afflictions and I go my own way, based on my personal knowledge and experiences, I realise that many don't go their own way, but follow trends (well when it comes to mechanical stuff anyway), that aint me, if I were to suffer a blow up, so be it, I would learn from that experience, and move on.
k

That is not only a contradiction but as Otto Von Bismarck said. "A fool learns from his own mistakes, a wise man from the mistakes of others" You could save yourself a lot of money, time and heartbreak learning from the experience of others.

Quote from: jr1349 on September 13, 2014, 06:25:54 AM
I'm not saying I know better than everybody, I have, however, proven over the years that I do know better than many who claim to know a lot though........

Err, I think you might be.

However, on the subject of your original post, does the FJ have a rev limiter, I have just read Firehawks post and don't believe it necessarily suggests the existence of one. I don't know whether they do or they don't, but I suspect not. The absence of answers to your query probably stems from the fact that no one sees any point in revving the shit out of an engine beyond it max power and beyond it's design parameters.

In my opinion, the FJ's are a relatively innefficient engine and not capable of over revving themselves to destruction easily, unlike more modern machines and I think it's likely that what Firehawk experienced was the engine reaching the limits of it's efficiency.
Rev limiters were introduced as engines became more efficient and easily capable of revving themselves beyond their mechanical limits (OHV and hydraulic lifter engines were sort of self governing) and if fitted, kick in just above redline, not 2000 rpm higher.

I have seen inside the engine of a fairly new (at the time) Porsche, without a rev limiter, blow up on a single flat shift.

Noel

I would not be surprised, given their age, if the FJ,s didn't have them.

you are clearly far more knowledgable than me in this area (your et's speak for themselves) but your statement " if you know how to run engines safely, blow ups simply don't occur" is a bit of a stretch.  We've all seen pro-built engines come apart just after the Christmas tree said "go".

 

I see that learning from others is a one way street in some peeps minds, yeah you get to join the forum, but not the purple circle hey fella's.

sorry you blokes, but your boring me, ive heard all this prissy crap before, not interested, time to watch some racin

well its good to see Vale back on the top step again, even if we were robbed of a true marques defeat with his little slip.

I think I've learned all there is to learn on this forum, well in terms of what is useful information for my current purposes at least.

its a pity that its always the idiots that ruin things, true, I've only come across 2 of them on this forum so far, and I will name them to avoid confusion (burns and ribbert), but it only takes one troll to realise that your wasting your time.

its stinky dripping red vagina's like these that turn good people off forums, spouting pathetic fear mongering and general ignorance, you "blokes" need to put on both tampons and maxi pads, cause all your doing is making a mess.

so having had a think about it over the race I just watched, I realise that I've got better things to do than try not to have arguments with retards.

unfortunately Chris it doesn't look like you'll be getting your sprocket to use at Bonneville from me, but you can get some blokes together and do an order through thrust company sprockets if you like, I've left a link on a thread somewhere.

cheers for your intelligent words Mike, you know who you are.

ok then, so bye.

Quote from: jr1349 on September 14, 2014, 05:21:37 AM
I see that learning from others is a one way street in some peeps minds, yeah you get to join the forum, but not the purple circle hey fella's.

sorry you blokes, but your boring me, ive heard all this prissy crap before, not interested, time to watch some racin

Well well, to suggest the greatest repository of FJ knowledge on the planet is boring is a bit of a stretch, or in your case, a tug. You have not been around long enough to get a feel for just how much experience is here. National championship winning legends engine builders and racers, track racers, drag racers, mechanics, innovators, hot engine builders, very clever shade tree mechanics, aviation, marine and automotive mechanics and technical experts, engineers etc, they're all here, by the thousands.

Perhaps you could tell us about some of your non trend following engine builds, mods and theories that exceed the performance and reliability of the trend following builders. I have only built a couple of hundred engines myself, mostly stock, but a reasonable number of hot ones and a few to bursting point as experimental projects. If you have something to offer I would love to hear it, as would everyone else.
Other than bagging the forum members, so far you have offered nothing.

I think you nailed it with your post, the root of the problem is not that we are boring but your firm grip of the purple circle!

If I was you, I wouldn't waste my time watching the racing, those things are built on "prissy crap" as well, that being experience, theirs and others.

You said you only visited the forum for one reason:

Quote from: jr1349 on September 10, 2014, 12:16:29 AM
I started this topic to see if there was much of a knowledge base about rev limiters with the fj/xjr engine format, seeing as there has been little comeback on the topic, I see no reason to indulge you further.
k

Well, I believe you have your answer and as we are boring you, we won't keep you any longer. You probably have an appointment with yourself anyway.

We like new members with fresh ideas that challenge the status quo but so far all you have managed to do is dump on members personally and collectively and contributed nothing.


Noel (forum grumpy bastard)

Fully Franked Disclaimer: While I have used the word "we" the views expressed are mine alone and not those of any other forum member or the forum in general

Quote from: jr1349 on September 14, 2014, 08:33:10 AM
well its good to see Vale back on the top step again, even if we were robbed of a true marques defeat with his little slip.

I think I've learned all there is to learn on this forum, well in terms of what is useful information for my current purposes at least.

its a pity that its always the idiots that ruin things, true, I've only come across 2 of them on this forum so far, and I will name them to avoid confusion (burns and ribbert), but it only takes one troll to realise that your wasting your time.

its stinky dripping red vagina's like these that turn good people off forums, spouting pathetic fear mongering and general ignorance, you "blokes" need to put on both tampons and maxi pads, cause all your doing is making a mess.

so having had a think about it over the race I just watched, I realise that I've got better things to do than try not to have arguments with retards.

unfortunately Chris it doesn't look like you'll be getting your sprocket to use at Bonneville from me, but you can get some blokes together and do an order through thrust company sprockets if you like, I've left a link on a thread somewhere.

cheers for your intelligent words Mike, you know who you are.

ok then, so bye.

Given I spent considerable time giving you the only detailed answer to your question, that's not a very gracious response.

You only found 2 idiots on the forum, hang around, I'm sure we can find some more.

You did well to take on the entire knowledge of the forum in such a short time.

After a shaky start, I have taken quite a shine to Burns and enjoy his posts, (although not always agreeing with him), his knowledge of bikes, riding and life. I take some comfort in being in his company in your post.

You do realise that Burns and I do not speak on behalf of the forum and that leaves 3998 other members to talk to.

No need for the cryptic reference, we all know who "Mike" is.

Quote from: jr1349 on September 14, 2014, 08:33:10 AM

its stinky dripping red vagina's like these that turn good people off forums, spouting pathetic fear mongering and general ignorance, you "blokes" need to put on both tampons and maxi pads, cause all your doing is making a mess.

We have another member who may feel his crown is under threat with this effort. You have lowered the bar to a record level.

The only thing that upsets me about your post is that I allowed myself to become engaged in an exchange with you, I would normally, and should have, ignored it but as a retard I sometimes lack the self control.

I applaud your decision to leave the forum.

Noel

Quote from: ribbert on September 14, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
Fully Franked Disclaimer...

Noel - You can represent me when addressing the rare douche that ventures into our midst...  I won't waste my time and you're going to be close enough in any case.

Frank

Quote from: Flynt on September 14, 2014, 05:07:00 PM

Quote from: ribbert on September 14, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
Fully Franked Disclaimer...

Noel - You can represent me when addressing the rare douche that ventures into our midst...  I won't waste my time and you're going to be close enough in any case.

Frank

Ha ha, noted! I hope the occasion doesn't arise any time soon.

Noel

1+
Arnie

Quote from: Flynt on September 14, 2014, 05:07:00 PM

Quote from: ribbert on September 14, 2014, 08:42:30 AM
Fully Franked Disclaimer...

Noel - You can represent me when addressing the rare douche that ventures into our midst...  I won't waste my time and you're going to be close enough in any case.

Frank

Just read the thread.
Yep, he's a dick.
Let's take a deep breath and move on to relevant Fj topics
Andy

It looks like the scary giant brain man has gone.
Was any one else scared?

Awww, he left?  I was hoping this would go on for while.  Very entertaining.   (popcorn)

I resisted the urge, (until now) to chime in for the very same reason that Noel stated, I'd regret having wasted my valuable cycles on such a dick. 

"It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."  Samuel Johnson, or possibly Abe Lincoln or maybe Mark Twin -depending on who you ask ("although Johnson was around before either of the other two....).

The variant of this that I like better (less judgement) is "you should never miss an opportunity to keep you mouth shut"  which, it seems comes From Will Rodgers.

Dan

Quote from: Dan Filetti on September 15, 2014, 08:21:36 AM


"It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."  Samuel Johnson, or possibly Abe Lincoln or maybe Mark Twin -depending on who you ask ("although Johnson was around before either of the other two....).

The variant of this that I like better (less judgement) is "you should never miss an opportunity to keep you mouth shut"  which, it seems comes From Will Rodgers.

Dan

The author doesn't matter, it's great advice.

Noel

Quote from: ribbert on September 14, 2014, 09:31:01 AM

Quote from: jr1349 on September 14, 2014, 08:33:10 AM
well its good to see Vale back on the top step again, even if we were robbed of a true marques defeat with his little slip.

I think I've learned all there is to learn on this forum, well in terms of what is useful information for my current purposes at least.

its a pity that its always the idiots that ruin things, true, I've only come across 2 of them on this forum so far, and I will name them to avoid confusion (burns and ribbert), but it only takes one troll to realise that your wasting your time.

its stinky dripping red vagina's like these that turn good people off forums, spouting pathetic fear mongering and general ignorance, you "blokes" need to put on both tampons and maxi pads, cause all your doing is making a mess.

so having had a think about it over the race I just watched, I realise that I've got better things to do than try not to have arguments with retards.

unfortunately Chris it doesn't look like you'll be getting your sprocket to use at Bonneville from me, but you can get some blokes together and do an order through thrust company sprockets if you like, I've left a link on a thread somewhere.

cheers for your intelligent words Mike, you know who you are.

ok then, so bye.

Given I spent considerable time giving you the only detailed answer to your question, that's not a very gracious response.

You only found 2 idiots on the forum, hang around, I'm sure we can find some more.

You did well to take on the entire knowledge of the forum in such a short time.

After a shaky start, I have taken quite a shine to Burns and enjoy his posts, (although not always agreeing with him), his knowledge of bikes, riding and life. I take some comfort in being in his company in your post.

You do realise that Burns and I do not speak on behalf of the forum and that leaves 3998 other members to talk to.

No need for the cryptic reference, we all know who "Mike" is.

Quote from: jr1349 on September 14, 2014, 08:33:10 AM

its stinky dripping red vagina's like these that turn good people off forums, spouting pathetic fear mongering and general ignorance, you "blokes" need to put on both tampons and maxi pads, cause all your doing is making a mess.

We have another member who may feel his crown is under threat with this effort. You have lowered the bar to a record level.

The only thing that upsets me about your post is that I allowed myself to become engaged in an exchange with you, I would normally, and should have, ignored it but as a retard I sometimes lack the self control.

I applaud your decision to leave the forum.

Noel

Hey Rib, I was wondering why you felt it was your obligation to sort out the ill-manors of such a whelp, I didn't like him with his first post.  I know I can be a pain but at my age I'm well beyond starting a thread purely to say my penis is larger than yours, which surely seems to have been his mission, he should keep it in his pants, The regs don't require any more comedy relief, because I'm here, and I'm quite sufficient. ;)

FJ, Forever!   :drinks:

Frottage, Never!  :negative: (unless of course you're gay, then it's OK, just not my cup of tea...)  (oh great, now I won't be able to drink tea for a while, ;) )

JoBrCo

Quote from: jr1349 on September 14, 2014, 08:33:10 AM
well its good to see Vale back on the top step again, even if we were robbed of a true marques defeat with his little slip.

I think I've learned all there is to learn on this forum, well in terms of what is useful information for my current purposes at least.

its a pity that its always the idiots that ruin things, true, I've only come across 2 of them on this forum so far, and I will name them to avoid confusion (burns and ribbert), but it only takes one troll to realise that your wasting your time.

its stinky dripping red vagina's like these that turn good people off forums, spouting pathetic fear mongering and general ignorance, you "blokes" need to put on both tampons and maxi pads, cause all your doing is making a mess.

so having had a think about it over the race I just watched, I realise that I've got better things to do than try not to have arguments with retards.

unfortunately Chris it doesn't look like you'll be getting your sprocket to use at Bonneville from me, but you can get some blokes together and do an order through thrust company sprockets if you like, I've left a link on a thread somewhere.

cheers for your intelligent words Mike, you know who you are.

ok then, so bye.

I think you missed a third....

Personally, I thought that an admirable level of restraint was shown during this little contretemps.

And yeah, it was pretty entertaining.


rossi

 I was / am glad Noel stepped up to the plate to tell douche bag off. I think people like that will never find anything good enough for their superior intelligence. So long.

Gee, all I really said was that you can modify a motor for max power at the cost of minimum life-span. I'm not one to avoid controversy, but I guess it don't take much to stir the pot for some.  That's ok I've got a lot of spoons.

"After a shaky start, I have taken quite a shine to Burns and enjoy his posts, (although not always agreeing with him), his knowledge of bikes, riding and life. I take some comfort in being in his company in your post."

Thank you, Rib for those very kind words,   'tis honored to be in your company I am, Sir.

Quote from: ribbert on September 14, 2014, 09:31:01 AMThe only thing that upsets me about your post is that I allowed myself to become engaged in an exchange with you, I would normally, and should have, ignored it but as a retard I sometimes lack the self control.

This is what I was specifically addressing.  I agree with Rib! why?  because I've been there before, on both sides, even.  We are human after all, sometimes we have good days, sometimes bad. Emotion and pride can often get in the way, we can sometimes take things personally, when it has nothing to do with us at all.  Rather it's all about the other one, their bad day!

I'm not condemning Rib in the slightest, quite the contrary!  I see Rib as a good man, and Jr...  well, as Ribs junior, of course.  His nym couldn't be more appropriate, and maybe he knows it, trying to save face, in the face of this FJ community.  Though unfortunately, quite possibly, showing his ass instead, or so it may surely seem.

I agree with Rib (Noel), it's a shame that sometimes we feel we have to argue for the sake of...  not much really.  As the Beatles sang: "life is very short and there's no ti-I-I-I-ime for fussing and fighting my friend, I have always thought that it's a cri-I-I-I-ime, so I will ask you once again..."  (epiphany: I just realized why they probably accentuated the I's in both "time" and "crime," to focus on the root of the problem, namely selfishness, the need to hold oneself "above" all others, due to the "fear" of being "less.")

I loved those guys, they got it right, a lot of the time!

Thanks for all your help "Rib." ;)  (The one that gives the most, wins the most!)   Respect, etc, etc, etc...

Peace my friend!

Oh and did I mention..., Vegemite tastes like crap! ;)   :nyam2:   :shok:  :yahoo:  :dance2:

FJ, Forever!   :drinks:

JoBrCo

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 15, 2014, 05:29:02 PM

Oh and did I mention..., Vegemite tastes like crap!
JoBrCo

I`ve often wondered about that!

Quote from: The General on September 15, 2014, 06:15:53 PM

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 15, 2014, 05:29:02 PM

Oh and did I mention..., Vegemite tastes like crap!
JoBrCo

I`ve often wondered about that!

I thought you Aussies grew up on that stuff??   I'm sure it's an acquired taste, that I failed to acquire.  Of course some would call me a pampered American, or maybe a Yank!  I loved my visit to Australia though, both Perth and Sydney, back in the 80's.   At night, back then, Perth was like a graveyard, not a soul in sight, but Sydney was another thing entirely, I was up all night in the "Kings Cross,"  I believe it was called.

I was in the US Navy then, and went to one of your chow halls for breakfast, one of your military bases, and was surprised to see, fish, beans, and some black mushrooms in some sort of mushroom gravy.   So I figured, "when in Rome," and purposely tried everything non-American, because I roll that way, I wanted to be an Aussie for a day.  The mushrooms were great, the fish good, and the beans, well... they were beans.  (Now here in America we don't eat that kind of thing for breakfast, well a lot of us, it's usually eggs bacon and toast, or other various variations.)  But there was no Vegemite, and I knew that song by Men at Work, very well, and wanted to try some.  Until just before we left, we were on the plane, ready to taxi, when lo and behold, just before shutting the main cabin door, an Aussie, at the request of someone on board, handed us a small tub of Vegemite, so when in Rome, I tried some, PLAIN, with no bread or anything, (I heard that it's actually a kind of condiment one puts on a sandwich), anyway, my mouth puckered, and I wanted to find a shitcan quick, but begrudgingly I swallowed it, and I never want to do that again.  But each to their own, more power to them, nothing wrong with that, just a pampered American I was. ;)

I loved all things from the Swan Brewery though!   :drinks:

FJ Forever!   :drinks:


JoBrCo     

I think you nailed that one JoBrCo...never tried the stuff myself but from what I've heard, it tastes like shit... and a Rev-limiter? Mine is in my ears and wrist!               Later Jr.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Charley. :drinks:

Most Aussies will wonder at how you Seppos know things taste like shit.

My wife is an Aussie and I have tasted Vegemite on toast and sourdough bread with butter. I have acquired the taste and enjoy it. But I am baffled, as Klavdy also points out, how you know what shit tastes like. I have not ever been brave enough to try the actual stuff by voluntary method or been subjected to the involuntary option... My favorite saying from a previous boss: "You look like you were shot at and missed, but shat at and hit...."

You guys don't get it, it was an adventure, it didn't matter what it tasted like, It could have tasted like puke, or maybe ambrosia, the food of the gods, and it still would've been an indelible event, forever etched in my mind, a great experience, to be an Aussi for a day or two.  The more unexpected it was, the more indelible the memory, no matter how senile I become, or so my logic would seem to indicate.

For example if you visit me I'll make you guys an extra thick, 3/4" (19mm), (just the filling), Limburger cheese and raw onion on rye sandwich, which I absolutely love, they tell me it tastes like shit, and I agree, that at least it sure smells like shit.

You'll find I'm a strange one for sure, and the closer to death I get, the stranger I'll seemingly become, as the understanding of the universe, and humanities place in it, finally unfolds evermore, becoming clearer.

It surely wasn't an affront to any culture, I'm so much better than that, so no rescue needed!  It's all about perspective, my friends, all about perspective. And mine's of a man of the world, one that's deaf, dumb and blind, yet senses everything, especially from high above the planet, with all us ants down below, caught in our various dramas, attempting to find meaning, amid the backdrop of infinity, absolute zero, and I get better at it every day. My view of us is, "all inclusive!"  ;)  :i_am_so_happy: :biggrin:


Peace my friends!


FJ Forever!   :drinks:


JoBrCo    

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 16, 2014, 03:11:36 AM
You guys don't get it, it was an adventure, it didn't matter what it tasted like,
You'll find I'm a strange one for sure, and the closer to death I get, the stranger I'll seemingly become, as the understanding of the universe, and humanities place in it, finally unfolds evermore, becoming clearer.

It surely wasn't an affront to any culture, And mine's of a man of the world, one that's deaf, dumb and blind, yet senses everything, especially from high above the planet, with all us ants down below, caught in our various dramas, attempting to find meaning, amid the backdrop of infinity, absolute zero, and I get better at it every day. My view of us is, "all inclusive!"  ;)  :i_am_so_happy: :biggrin:
Peace my friends!

JoBrCo    

I`ve got ya mate, no offence taken.      ummmm.....just curious.......did you find it filling?

Quote from: Klavdy on September 15, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
Most Aussies will wonder at how you Seppos know things taste like shit.

Ok, I've never tasted shit...on purpose, although some of our food I have leaves much to be desired, not to offend anyone just what I've heard.Wanna talk about Rev-limiters? How bout those packers!                                                                                                                                                                                  Cheers!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       Charley.

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 15, 2014, 06:55:45 PM
I was in the US Navy then, and went to one of your chow halls for breakfast, one of your military bases, and was surprised to see, fish, beans, and some black mushrooms in some sort of mushroom gravy.   

Such breakfast offerings are not exclusive to Australia.  Most countries in Europe will offer similar or the same items in a typical breakfast buffet.  As an example, I am in Lodz, Poland at the moment, and the items you mentioned are present each morning in the hotel buffet.  I saw nearly the same two weeks ago in Bucharest Romania, and it's starting to blur together, but I'm nearly certain I saw them or similar in London, Paris, Morocco, Madrid and Even Moscow in the last few months.... 

The Chinese like to have soup, fermented eggs, and doughy dumpling looking things, along with their rice and noodles fro breakfast.   

Just waxing breakfast-related stream of consciousness here.  Carry on.   

cheers,

Dan   

Quote from: The General on September 16, 2014, 05:08:05 AM

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 16, 2014, 03:11:36 AM
You guys don't get it, it was an adventure, it didn't matter what it tasted like,
You'll find I'm a strange one for sure, and the closer to death I get, the stranger I'll seemingly become, as the understanding of the universe, and humanities place in it, finally unfolds evermore, becoming clearer.

It surely wasn't an affront to any culture, And mine's of a man of the world, one that's deaf, dumb and blind, yet senses everything, especially from high above the planet, with all us ants down below, caught in our various dramas, attempting to find meaning, amid the backdrop of infinity, absolute zero, and I get better at it every day. My view of us is, "all inclusive!"  ;)  :i_am_so_happy: :biggrin:
Peace my friends!

JoBrCo    

I`ve got ya mate, no offence taken.      ummmm.....just curious.......did you find it filling?

Upon initial experience, I found the dichotomy of good and bad to be relative, which in fact is always the case, then where does that leave the experience, could ones self serving findings ever be definitive; universal?  In that case or this one?  What is full and what is empty, from any universal; absolute perspective?

FJ Forever!   :drinks:


JoBrCo 

Quote from: Dan Filetti on September 16, 2014, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 15, 2014, 06:55:45 PM
I was in the US Navy then, and went to one of your chow halls for breakfast, one of your military bases, and was surprised to see, fish, beans, and some black mushrooms in some sort of mushroom gravy.   

Such breakfast offerings are not exclusive to Australia.  Most countries in Europe will offer similar or the same items in a typical breakfast buffet.  As an example, I am in Lodz, Poland at the moment, and the items you mentioned are present each morning in the hotel buffet.  I saw nearly the same two weeks ago in Bucharest Romania, and it's starting to blur together, but I'm nearly certain I saw them or similar in London, Paris, Morocco, Madrid and Even Moscow in the last few months.... 

The Chinese like to have soup, fermented eggs, and doughy dumpling looking things, along with their rice and noodles fro breakfast.   

Just waxing breakfast-related stream of consciousness here.  Carry on.   

cheers,

Dan   

Yes Dan, and THAT is what I LOVE about the world, DIFFERENCE! The SHAME is that I've only visited few countries, RELATIVELY speaking.

I've been to the Philippines.  Has anyone eaten a balut (balot)?  I have, after drinking many a Red Horse, not that it really tasted that bad, that I can remember, but I can't wrap my mind around it, like eating dog or cat, though I know it's simply programming, gone awry. And that's about the truth of it!  And even still, that I know this, that my mind has preconceived (programmed) lines that I cannot cross, primarily because of peer pressure, and thus fear, years of practicing them leaves them insurmountable in my mind. Given enough time, and mental clearing, I could eventually transcend.

It's funny when one examines the human condition, or at least it makes one think, if the actual (universal, absolute) truth, matters at all.  And to me it does!  Actually, it's all that matters, to me, at least!

PEACE Dan, I wish I could have dined with you, it sounds truly like an adventure! ;)


FJ Forever!   :drinks:

JoBrCo 

Quote from: Klavdy on September 15, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
Most Aussies will wonder at how you Seppos know things taste like shit.

Quote from: FJmonkey on September 16, 2014, 12:42:39 AM
My wife is an Aussie and I have tasted Vegemite on toast and sourdough bread with butter. I have acquired the taste and enjoy it. But I am baffled, as Klavdy also points out, how you know what shit tastes like. I have not ever been brave enough to try the actual stuff by voluntary method or been subjected to the involuntary option... My favorite saying from a previous boss: "You look like you were shot at and missed, but shat at and hit...."

In fact, in order for the olfactory nerves to register anything, actual particles of that thing must contact them. Taste is actually 70 to 75 percent smell.  "Who ever smelt it first, dealt it," as well as tasted it first, or at least they tasted 70 to 75 percent of it. and then there is post nasal drip.  Anyone ever hock a loogie?  How about eat a booger?  Don't be too quick to answer now, you gotta go way back, to those days as a snot nosed kid, (and of course it's a rhetorical question).  Though some adults still do, eat their boogers, that is.  And recently I heard that it's mostly men that do.  No, I'm a booger flipper!  :biggrin:  So what were you two guys saying?   :lol:

Oh and for the record, it was my son that made sure I tasted 100% of piss, yea that little bugger got cold while I was changing his diaper, and he decided it was time to imitate "Old Faithful." And you guys, I'm sure are aware by now, yep, I was yappin' my ass off with his mother.  That taught me, to never be a yappin' while changing a young baby boy, nothing to fear with girls, they just dribble.

FJ Forever!   :drinks:

Cheers everyone, cheers!

JoBrCo  

Quote from: Klavdy on September 15, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
Most Aussies will wonder at how you Seppos know things taste like shit.

Because some of us have eaten "chitlins". It ain't shit, but it's close to it. So to speak.

From rev limits to cultural food. I general I'd say a NA FJ doesn't do anything after 9,000RPM. Same as a SOHC CB750 and many other bikes. I've had my FJ on the dyno 4 separate occasions in different configurations with over 60 runs. The CB has about 200 runs. :biggrin:

It would seem that the OP really didn't care what anyone had to say, and would rather dog those that would take their valuable time to try and help him with the answer, Troll anyone? Of course it's a worthwhile topic for others, I'm sure.  I'm just trying to get mine to run well.

Getting back to the rev limit question here is a resent on going thread with a thought about the rev limiter. Go down to the 3rd post.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0)
George

 I don't see what the difference is? By 9,000 or 9,500 depending on cam timing the witch has left on a broomstick. If you pressurize things it can be different but not by much (in regard to redline). Busa's are the same with stroke/bore close to a bored FJ.
I'd like to see more dyno sheets on this board.....maybe they ain't got no dynos in Australia. Those fellas have all the answers.  :rofl2:

 Guys....I really think some genuine discourse on rev limits should be heard.

 I opened up a tachometer that was on a '90 1200. I was surprised to find what appeared to be a contact point that moved with the tach needle and would close with another contact when the tach was in the red. Looking at the wiring diagram suggests that this is
indeed the rev limiter.

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 15, 2014, 05:29:02 PM

Oh and did I mention..., Vegemite tastes like crap! ;)   :nyam2:   :shok:  :yahoo:  :dance2:


JoBrCo

You lookin to start another argument? Vegemite forever!! Yummo,   :rofl:
I only just read this thread today and had a strong feeling it was going to take a turn for the worse. Our mate from the other side of Australia obviously didn't like friendly advice which seemed to somehow insult his expertise. Anyway, his loss. The things he really could have learned if he stuck around.............

Quote from: X-Ray on September 17, 2014, 02:04:57 AM
I only just read this thread today and had a strong feeling it was going to take a turn for the worse. Our mate from the other side of Australia obviously didn't like friendly advice which seemed to somehow insult his expertise. Anyway, his loss. The things he really could have learned if he stuck around.............

It kind of makes you wonder why he joined the FJ forum and not the XJR forums? Maybe he wore out his welcome on the XJR sites before he blessed us with his arsehole attitudes. I for one won't miss him!  Pete.    :bye2:

Quote from: Earl Svorks on September 16, 2014, 09:19:24 PM
I opened up a tachometer that was on a '90 1200. I was surprised to find what appeared to be a contact point that moved with the tach needle and would close with another contact when the tach was in the red. Looking at the wiring diagram suggests that this is
indeed the rev limiter.

I wonder if earlier models like my 84 have this? Mine revs freely to 10,000 but  my fear of damage stops me from spinnin her any faster...and theres really no point in doing so 8000 to 10,000 is the Kookaloo zone and I can live with that. And to our Aussie friends, I am going to try Vegemite, they sell it at our local Wal-mart. Is it indeed a condiment? If so what do you condim it on ?

Vegemite is actually a yeast extract, and is very tasty. On hot buttered toast in the morning, on a sandwich with sliced tomato, on buttered crisp bread with a cup of coffee, love it. CanDman had a bit of it when he stayed with us earlier this year, and even though he put on a brave face, I know he won't be having it again.  :praising:

Having said that, even my family only very thinly scrape it onto bread etc, as they say its too strong. Me, I lather it on,  :good2:

https://www.vegemite.com.au/en-AU/FAQ.aspx (https://www.vegemite.com.au/en-AU/FAQ.aspx)

Errrr, anyway, something about revs was mentioned......  In fact, I have no idea what the FJ revs to as I have never wound it up that far, lol.

Quote from: charleygofast on September 17, 2014, 06:26:19 AM
And to our Aussie friends, I am going to try Vegemite, they sell it at our local Wal-mart. Is it indeed a condiment? If so what do you condim it on ?

Condim it on toast with butter - plenty of butter (not that margarine rubbish). Don't start off too thick to begin with - its an acquired taste........ salty and tangy at the same time.
Good luck
Harvy

Quote from: movenon on September 16, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
Getting back to the rev limit question here is a resent on going thread with a thought about the rev limiter. Go down to the 3rd post.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0)
George

I've read through this thread, and two things stuck out at me......................................First off, is anyone else confused by the new member's username?
I kept seeing "FJWizard" and thinking it was Frank "Flynt"..(sorry Frank) :flag_of_truce:........Until I noticed he was a newbie, and only had a post count of 5.............

Anyway, his post says that the later digital TCI ignitions (which my '90 should have)had a 9,300rpm rev limiter?
I would be quick to challenge this info, mainly because I have had my FJ tach well into the red, way past 9,300 on a few occasions........
Unless my tachometer is off by a mile, I can't see this being true?

I have a fancy DVOM that has rpm functions on it, with an inductive pickup......................The next chance I get, I'll hook it up and see if the FJ tach has some error in it..................I'll report back my findings.........

Quote from: Firehawk068 on September 17, 2014, 08:25:35 AM

Quote from: movenon on September 16, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
Getting back to the rev limit question here is a resent on going thread with a thought about the rev limiter. Go down to the 3rd post.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0)
George

Anyway, his post says that the later digital TCI ignitions (which my '90 should have)had a 9,300rpm rev limiter?
I would be quick to challenge this info, mainly because I have had my FJ tach well into the red, way past 9,300 on a few occasions........
Unless my tachometer is off by a mile, I can't see this being true?

I have a fancy DVOM that has rpm functions on it, with an inductive pickup......................The next chance I get, I'll hook it up and see if the FJ tach has some error in it..................I'll report back my findings.........

If it takes it cue from the tacho, as was suggested earlier, it won't matter whether it's accurate or not.

Noel

Quote from: Harvy on September 17, 2014, 07:14:52 AM

Quote from: charleygofast on September 17, 2014, 06:26:19 AM
And to our Aussie friends, I am going to try Vegemite, they sell it at our local Wal-mart. Is it indeed a condiment? If so what do you condim it on ?

Condim it on toast with butter - plenty of butter (not that margarine rubbish). Don't start off too thick to begin with - its an acquired taste........ salty and tangy at the same time.
Good luck
Harvy

Spot on Harvy, I would recommend about teaspoon's worth on a piece of toast as a starting point. Pretty good on toast under eggs too.

JoBrCo, eating it straight from the jar would even make a Vegemite lover wince.

Quote from: Klavdy on September 15, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
Most Aussies will wonder at how you Seppos know things taste like shit.

I would have thought a Bacon Shake (Bacon milkshake with real bacon bits sprinkled on top) would give them a pretty good idea.

Noel

Quote from: ribbert on September 17, 2014, 08:48:25 AM

Quote from: Firehawk068 on September 17, 2014, 08:25:35 AM

Quote from: movenon on September 16, 2014, 06:28:46 PM
Getting back to the rev limit question here is a resent on going thread with a thought about the rev limiter. Go down to the 3rd post.

http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=12563.0)
George

Anyway, his post says that the later digital TCI ignitions (which my '90 should have)had a 9,300rpm rev limiter?
I would be quick to challenge this info, mainly because I have had my FJ tach well into the red, way past 9,300 on a few occasions........
Unless my tachometer is off by a mile, I can't see this being true?

I have a fancy DVOM that has rpm functions on it, with an inductive pickup......................The next chance I get, I'll hook it up and see if the FJ tach has some error in it..................I'll report back my findings.........

If it takes it cue from the tacho it won't matter whether it's accurate or not.

Noel

Grounding the signal manually in the tach seems logical to me.  At least one way of doing it.  Perhaps taking a old tach and putting an ohm meter between the signal input and ground them manually turn the needle to see if it go's to ground at some point?  I think that I have a extra tach in my parts and bits.  It is out of the newer style cluster (87 ? and newer). Condition unknown.  I was thinking about taking a look at it anyhow and see if "CapnRon" needed it.

The rev limiter is a nice thing to know but as noted above I also will not be testing it out with my old engine.  :good2:
George

Maybe the OP would be interested in a Bimota YB8?  Neat bikes (like XJRs) and the Bimota owner/seller would probably get on well with the OP.  (Who, it should be noted, seems to be as comfortable and familiar with how vaginas work as he is about how motorcycles work.)

I'm pretty sure FJs, all years, have an electronic rev limiter, and I can't imagine they took this feature out of later-model motorcycles using the same engine.  Can't remember if mine was at 10,400 or 11,400 (10,400 sounds right) but I know I've hit it more than once in lower gears.  Not focusing on the tach reading at the time (obviously!) so I can't be positive.  I'll try it on my way out of town tomorrow and let you know.

I found my dyno sheet the other day, I'll scan it and post it after I get back from the ECFR.  Mine was in "MPH" in 4th so I had to estimate rpm from that (and calculate torque from that)  but IIRC it was a pretty flat torque curve peaking at 7,000 and a power peak of 103 hp at 8,500, still nearly 100 hp at both 8,000 and 9,000 rpm, and off to about 90 hp at 9,500 rpm. 

Quote from: Earl Svorks on September 16, 2014, 09:19:24 PM
Looking at the wiring diagram suggests that this is indeed the rev limiter.

I am going to have to disagree on this one...

If that was the case and the tach itself was the rev limiter, how do you explain the rev limiter working on this and 1000's of other just like them?
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/racerrad8/Roadster.jpg~original) (http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/racerrad8/media/Roadster.jpg.html)

If a tach is used it is an Autometer or other aftermarket unit.

Here is a photo of the back side of Skymasters 90 tach, I cant see any points anywhere. He does mention the trim pot for adjustment.

Quote from: skymasteres on May 09, 2014, 07:14:47 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v127/skymasteres/Motorcycles/FJ1200%20Rebuild/Fairing/20140430_173439Custom_zpsbaea01e5.jpg~original)

Oh, and here's another one for you. The tachometer on these FJ's can be calibrated. Mark and I are both running the same gearing and tires, but our tachometers are mismatched by about 500RPM. I hooked up an external tack and found mine was reading about 380RPM high.  There's a  trim pot on the back of the tach that you can adjust to change the displayed RPM.  Unfortunately I turned it to the left which had the opposite effect and further raised the displayed RPM. I'll fix it when I go back into it... (But just FYI, Left raises displayed RPM, right lowers it.)

It would be interesting to determine what the points you observed did.

The advertised rate of the electronic rev limiter has been 10,500 since I have been involved with the FJ power plant. I will say there is some variation in boxes, we have had some limit at 9800 and some that reach 11,000, but the majority are all right around 10,500.

Randy - RPM

Quote from: ribbert on September 17, 2014, 08:48:25 AM
If it takes it cue from the tacho, as was suggested earlier, it won't matter whether it's accurate or not.
Noel

My meter has an inductive pickup that I can clamp over one of the spark plug wires, and will read rpm's from that...................I'll use it to compare it to my FJ tach at various rpm's..............

"It's funny when one examines the human condition, or at least it makes one think, if the actual (universal, absolute) truth, matters at all.  And to me it does!  Actually, it's all that matters, to me, at least!"



Faith in an Understandable Universe is hubris.

Quote from: X-Ray on September 17, 2014, 02:04:57 AM

Quote from: JoBrCo on September 15, 2014, 05:29:02 PM

Oh and did I mention..., Vegemite tastes like crap! ;)   :nyam2:   :shok:  :yahoo:  :dance2:


JoBrCo

You lookin to start another argument? Vegemite forever!! Yummo,   :rofl:
I only just read this thread today and had a strong feeling it was going to take a turn for the worse. Our mate from the other side of Australia obviously didn't like friendly advice which seemed to somehow insult his expertise. Anyway, his loss. The things he really could have learned if he stuck around.............

Actually just a joke for Rib, that has yet to post again, nothing more, nothing less!  It's how I top off all the positives, i.e. with a joking challenge of no real consequence, a sidebar to sidestep, if you will, to change the subject to something nobody really cares about. Oops scratch that!  Vegemite argument, sheesh! :biggrin:  :lol:

FJ Forever!   :drinks:

JoBrCo

Actually I've busted red line on several occasions, i.e., missed a gear, when down shifting so as to place her in her sweet spot, for rocket like acceleration. ;)  Of course it scared the crap out of me, I didn't want to "blow it" further and finally!

FJ Forever!   :drinks:

JoBrCo


P.S. the Vegemite thing was just for the sake of Rib's (Noel's) response, I figured he'd understand, knowing I was just "ribbing" ;) him. Funny that it almost started a riot!  :lol:

Quote from: X-Ray on September 17, 2014, 07:12:23 AM
Vegemite is actually a yeast extract, and is very tasty. On hot buttered toast in the morning, on a sandwich with sliced tomato, on buttered crisp bread with a cup of coffee, love it. CanDman had a bit of it when he stayed with us earlier this year, and even though he put on a brave face, I know he won't be having it again.  :praising:

Having said that, even my family only very thinly scrape it onto bread etc, as they say its too strong. Me, I lather it on,  :good2:

https://www.vegemite.com.au/en-AU/FAQ.aspx (https://www.vegemite.com.au/en-AU/FAQ.aspx)

Errrr, anyway, something about revs was mentioned......  In fact, I have no idea what the FJ revs to as I have never wound it up that far, lol.

you mean this face........

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mmmmmmmm beef broth paiste........yum...no worries Ray...when I return, I will eat it again with you.........along with some CanDman homemade Canadian pancakes

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The advertised rate of the electronic rev limiter has been 10,500 since I have been involved with the FJ power plant. I will say there is some variation in boxes, we have had some limit at 9800 and some that reach 11,000, but the majority are all right around 10,500.

Randy - RPM


What does the engine do when it's hits the limiter Randy, does it stutter like modern bikes or does it just kill it till the revs drop.         

                                                         Tony.

Quote from: Bones on September 18, 2014, 02:42:50 AM
What does the engine do when it's hits the limiter Randy, does it stutter like modern bikes or does it just kill it till the revs drop.         

                                                         Tony.

Well, I am not sure how to explain it and since I have never really ridden a modern bike I cant answer. The engine does not shut off, but goes into almost a mis-fire regulating the engine speed.  You can hold it on the rev limiter, but the engine losses so much power you automatically let off.

So, I guess it is more like a stutter.

Randy - RPM

Just read this thread today, not before, because I wasn't really interested in rev limiting, since I'm not interested in pushing things up there. Finally had to read it because there were so many pages to it..
I had a friend several years ago that would ask me questions about the way things worked, and, no matter what the answer was, would look at me and say "No. That can't be right.." So I would tell him to go look it up. And the next week, the play repeated it self.. Some people are just wired that way. If they don't know the answer, you can't possible know it, either. Been a fun post set. What have I learned? Well, Vegemite tastes like shit. "No. That can't be right..." Got to go get me some and see what I'm missing.

Quote from: novaraptor on September 18, 2014, 01:15:42 PM
Vegemite tastes like shit. "No. That can't be right..." Got to go get me some and see what I'm missing.

I can bring you a sample.... 

Mark, your profile pic cracks me up everytime I see a post from you.................. :rofl:

Well that explains why I can't PM Kurt now -- oh well, not a loss.  He was a royal PITA to try to work out shipping the sprocket

To see the bits in question, you need to look between the back of the tach face and the front of the white plastic housing. At first glance it could be taken for a return spring, but I think it's too light to be one.
As to why the cars do not seem to be affected , ummm, I don't know.
I'll post a pic of the tach I have if you don't find it on yours,

do the cars use the stock yam ignition?   

We run the stock ignition system in our cars. However Dyna makes a red box system that is close to their dynatek 2000 system for the bikes but it is not adjustable for the race car.

Well, that's that.

Quote from: Earl Svorks on September 21, 2014, 03:24:02 PM
To see the bits in question, you need to look between the back of the tach face and the front of the white plastic housing. At first glance it could be taken for a return spring, but I think it's too light to be one.
As to why the cars do not seem to be affected , ummm, I don't know.
I'll post a pic of the tach I have if you don't find it on yours,

I've got a spare tach that I pulled apart for a look, but I cant see these contacts you mentioned in an earlier post. All I can see are two return springs that have wires connected and a thin bit of black plastic between them

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The white plastic piece with the wires wrapped around it has a pin that connects to the inside of the bottom spring, and another pin higher up that goes through the black piece and connects with the inside of the top spring and they all turn together, but as for contacts, you've lost me. Can you point out what you were talking about Earl  :pardon: