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Also picked up 5 qts of synthetic Amsoil 10-40 motorcycle oil for $12 from a guy cleaning out his garage!
Score. Is that all he had? It's about that for one quart.
Kurt
Is Amsoil actually better than most? If so, what's your indicators? Your proof, not someone else's. I've read a so called scientific whitepaper titled: "A Study of Motorcycle Oils (second edition)" that was paid for by Amsoil that seems to indicate as much, however I'm always a skeptic when it's obvious that a conflict of interest is involved, no matter if the testing entity swears by it or not, as they in fact got paid by the company that came out on top, (psychology 101)!
Just saying! I tend to believe those that actually use the product, finding evidence of their own, unless of course an independent laboratory, did the testing, not for any of the products manufacturers in question, rather, in this case, an unaffiliated motorcycle manufacturer, or some equally unaffiliated entity.
Anyone find less particles on their drain plug magnet, or some equally convincing actuality?
It's all he had. But it's synthetic and Amsoil is supposed to be good stuff.
$12 bucks!
You scored Billy....well done!
Quote from: JoBrCo on July 27, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Is Amsoil actually better than most? If so, what's your indicators? Your proof, not someone else's.
(popcorn) (popcorn)
Quote from: not a lib on July 27, 2014, 07:10:24 PM
Quote from: JoBrCo on July 27, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Is Amsoil actually better than most? If so, what's your indicators? Your proof, not someone else's.
(popcorn) (popcorn)
(popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn)
Enough!! One digital popcorn is all we really need. It is like "Hot" stickers in a fabrication shop, all the jobs end up with the Friging' HOT stickers!!
Rant is over now....
(popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn)
Stirring the pot Pat?.... Fair enough. I am guilty as well...
Quote from: FJmonkey on July 27, 2014, 08:56:33 PM
Enough!! One digital popcorn is all we really need.
Depends on what kind of oil it was popped with. :pardon:
Quote from: Pat Conlon on July 27, 2014, 09:31:40 PM
(popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn) (popcorn)
[/quote :lol: :lol: ...sorry I couldnt resist!
Et tu, Brute?
Quote from: FJmonkey on July 27, 2014, 09:51:30 PM
Et tu, Brute?
My dad used to say that and then giggle. He was a quiet man.
Quote from: JoBrCo on July 27, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Is Amsoil actually better than most? If so, what's your indicators? Your proof, not someone else's. I've read a so called scientific whitepaper titled: "A Study of Motorcycle Oils (second edition)" that was paid for by Amsoil that seems to indicate as much, however I'm always a skeptic when it's obvious that a conflict of interest is involved, no matter if the testing entity swears by it or not, as they in fact got paid by the company that came out on top, (psychology 101)!
Just saying! I tend to believe those that actually use the product, finding evidence of their own, unless of course an independent laboratory, did the testing, not for any of the products manufacturers in question, rather, in this case, an unaffiliated motorcycle manufacturer, or some equally unaffiliated entity.
Anyone find less particles on their drain plug magnet, or some equally convincing actuality?
Are you kidding? If you're finding particles on your drain plug, you don't need to worry about oil, it's too late for that! Worry about your motor coming apart!
Amsoil is tested according to SAE & ASTM standards. They do standardized testing and publish results with names and numbers. If they were falsifying testing, the other manufacturers would get lawyers involved and it would get ugly.
As to your point about the payee always coming out on top, you obviously didn't read the 1st edition of this oil test. Amsoil did OK, but certainly not 'on top'. So they went back and re-engineered the MC oil and did A LOT better on the 2nd round of testing. (http://www.amsoil.com/performancetestarchives.aspx (http://www.amsoil.com/performancetestarchives.aspx) A Study of Motorcycle Oils (G2156))
Now, you COULD say I'm just a paid schill, since I am an AMSOIL dealer. But I also run their products, and have a lot of happy customers as well, including several right here on this FJ Forum. So either they're all suckers or in on the gag. You decide!
Ed
Quote from: simi_ed on July 28, 2014, 04:24:20 AM
Quote from: JoBrCo on July 27, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Is Amsoil actually better than most? If so, what's your indicators? Your proof, not someone else's. I've read a so called scientific whitepaper titled: "A Study of Motorcycle Oils (second edition)" that was paid for by Amsoil that seems to indicate as much, however I'm always a skeptic when it's obvious that a conflict of interest is involved, no matter if the testing entity swears by it or not, as they in fact got paid by the company that came out on top, (psychology 101)!
Just saying! I tend to believe those that actually use the product, finding evidence of their own, unless of course an independent laboratory, did the testing, not for any of the products manufacturers in question, rather, in this case, an unaffiliated motorcycle manufacturer, or some equally unaffiliated entity.
Anyone find less particles on their drain plug magnet, or some equally convincing actuality?
Are you kidding? If you're finding particles on your drain plug, you don't need to worry about oil, it's too late for that! Worry about your motor coming apart!
Not really, plenty during break in, where 'plenty' is indeed ambiguous, quantify it! And here and there, after break-in with an oil change, 'slight,' which enjoys the same ambigousness. Anyone's experience where there were 'some' particles, and there was 'coming apart' does not necessarily equate, considering this ambigousness. Why do you think the engineers placed the magnets there? A SNAFU?
Amsoil is tested according to SAE & ASTM standards. They do standardized testing and publish results with names and numbers. If they were falsifying testing, the other manufacturers would get lawyers involved and it would get ugly.
As to your point about the payee always coming out on top, you obviously didn't read the 1st edition of this oil test. Amsoil did OK, but certainly not 'on top'. So they went back and re-engineered the MC oil and did A LOT better on the 2nd round of testing. (http://www.amsoil.com/performancetestarchives.aspx (http://www.amsoil.com/performancetestarchives.aspx) A Study of Motorcycle Oils (G2156))
Now, you COULD say I'm just a paid schill, since I am an AMSOIL dealer. But I also run their products, and have a lot of happy customers as well, including several right here on this FJ Forum. So either they're all suckers or in on the gag. You decide!
Ed
Sorry Ed, but it would seem that you neglected to account for my reference to psychology 101. Just speaking of 'possibility,' in reference to knowing the animal, pretty well. Potentially, it/this is no real necessary reflection upon the truth/fact of the matter, just query, as one should always question everything, or else be duped, for the sake of a glittering prize. I was looking for proof, as experienced, as I requested, not a testament to the system of powers that be, I already pretty much understand that, which is why I asked for everyone's evidence.
No harm no fowl, my friend, either taken or intended! Just defending my stance of knowledge, as much as anyone can. :)
Amsoil makes a very wide range of excellent products. The test reports they publish are as accurate as the testing criteria they supplied for the use of the lab doing the tests. This does not mean they are cheating or falsifying anything, just that they have home field advantage. Based on the quality of thier products I would not hesitate to run them, but as a former retailer I will never use thier products in anything I own.
It's a shame really, but you have to pick your battles and stick to your guns. (popcorn)
Quote from: the fan on July 28, 2014, 02:33:57 PM
Amsoil... Based on the quality of thier products I would not hesitate to run them, but as a former retailer I will never use thier products in anything I own.
That seems contradictory. Is there an explanation behind your statement?
Quote from: the fan on July 28, 2014, 02:33:57 PM<snip>
It's a shame really, but you have to pick your battles and stick to your guns. (popcorn)
Unless of course, you've been there and done that with nuclear weapons, and have come to understand the riddle of man and MAD. And no for you USN ASW types, not MAD gear, as in Magnetic Anomaly Detection, no, rather Mutually Assured Destruction, as was pointed out, throughout the cold war, yet more importantly, Americas response to it's lesson.
But we digress, SORRY Bminder, how quickly we allow ourselves to become sidetracked. I really have nothing to offer you, I was just trying to learn of any experienced truths that could be shared, that's all! We should continue this other line via another forum/thread or PM if we feel so inclined. Your call, whomever!
Have a good one! :drinks:
JoBrCo
Quote from: JoBrCo on July 27, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Is Amsoil actually better than most? If so, what's your indicators? Your proof, not someone else's. I've read a so called scientific whitepaper titled: "A Study of Motorcycle Oils (second edition)" that was paid for by Amsoil that seems to indicate as much, however I'm always a skeptic when it's obvious that a conflict of interest is involved, no matter if the testing entity swears by it or not, as they in fact got paid by the company that came out on top, (psychology 101)!
Just saying! I tend to believe those that actually use the product, finding evidence of their own, unless of course an independent laboratory, did the testing, not for any of the products manufacturers in question, rather, in this case, an unaffiliated motorcycle manufacturer, or some equally unaffiliated entity.
Anyone find less particles on their drain plug magnet, or some equally convincing actuality?
I recall reading the original report a couple years ago and it struck me that they were cherry-picking the comparo (e.g Mobil1 wasn't there).