Was doing about 40. Car turned left in front of me. I pulled the brakes bike slid out from underneath me. I am alright except broken left thumb some minor road rash. Road it home and went to hospital. I was wearing my gear. Engine bars on bike saved the motor.
Sorry to hear of your unscheduled dynamic dismount. Good to hear you were wearing your gear as well as your FJ (Renntec bars have saved many FJs (and FJ owners) from a truck ride home. Any witnesses? Anyone get the license plate of the other driver?
Glad to hear you and your bike are (mostly) OK.
Heal quickly
Quote from: FJmonkey on July 16, 2014, 09:04:34 PM
Sorry to hear of your unscheduled dynamic dismount. Good to hear you were wearing your gear as well as your FJ (Renntec bars have saved many FJs (and FJ owners) from a truck ride home. Any witnesses? Anyone get the license plate of the other driver?
He was turning in his driveway faked right then went left with no blinker. Still my fault. hit center line which caused my handle bars to twist and bike to go down
Quote from: winddancer on July 16, 2014, 09:13:18 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on July 16, 2014, 09:04:34 PM
Sorry to hear of your unscheduled dynamic dismount. Good to hear you were wearing your gear as well as your FJ (Renntec bars have saved many FJs (and FJ owners) from a truck ride home. Any witnesses? Anyone get the license plate of the other driver?
He was turning in his driveway faked right then went left with no blinker. Still my fault. hit center line which caused my handle bars to twist and bike to go down
Sounds like no witnesses but you know the driver.
Sorry to hear that. Glad you had some protective gear and that you are basically OK. Heal up. The bike is fixable. Got to expect drivers to do anything. Bikes or cars. Rules of the road are just nice idea's in a perfect world. Did they "pin" your thumb or just cast it ? Had mine pinned about 50 years ago, something about wheelies and beer.... Off road.. Get well soon.
George
well I found out my thumb is dislocated and I'm going to need surgery um don't know if they'll be tomorrow or Friday yet um I will find out tomorrow so it looks like no riding for about 6 weeks or so um but other than that I'm okay
Bugger mate!!!
What they call a "gamekeepers thumb". Pulls out of it's socket, common in the old days when snapping the necks of chickens/game birds etc. also now days skiers can get it if the hand doesn't leave there pole in a fall. When a person falls they open up there hand to break the fall and if they land on there thumb first the same thing happens. That's the best I can explane what happened to me. Push it back in place, pin it (looks like a SS finishing nail), put it in a cast and wait for a few weeks...... 50 years later you get some arthritis's for free in it... :drinks:
George
Well bugger. Sounds like you got off lucky considering the speed. Those bars are getting quite the work out in this group. But certainly a whole world better than busting the case.
Do you know if you locked up your front brake? (Some pictures of the damage would be very telling in determining the exact way you lost control)
Also, what modifications have you made to your bike? Brakes? Fork valves? Wheels/Tires? The only reason I ask is I have recently acquired a stock FJ and there is a world of difference in the handling and braking of it compared to one that has suffered a bad bout of modittus.
Glad you weren't hurt worse. Going down sucks. Keep us posted on your recovery.
Kurt
here are the photos
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the rear must have hit his tire
My Dad told me when I got my bike license a long time ago that if I was to jam the rear brake, lay the bike down and get off it. I would come out OK. My first season on a little ts90 suzuki, I had the opportunity to try it out when I was looking away in traffic going 30 - 35 mph. When I looked the traffic was stopped. I practiced it in my head and now was the time to do it. The bike slid under the car and I slid into the bike. The person in front of me never knew it and drove away.
Now that I'm back on a bike, I'll practice in my head again and hope I never have to do it.
Heal quick!!
Heal well and soon....
Quote from: Joe Sull on July 17, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
My Dad told me when I got my bike license a long time ago that if I was to jam the rear brake, lay the bike down and get off it. I would come out OK. My first season on a little ts90 suzuki, I had the opportunity to try it out when I was looking away in traffic going 30 - 35 mph. When I looked the traffic was stopped. I practiced it in my head and now was the time to do it. The bike slid under the car and I slid into the bike. The person in front of me never knew it and drove away.
Now that I'm back on a bike, I'll practice in my head again and hope I never have to do it.
Heal quick!!
Joe,
Sorry to inform you that your dad was wrong.
That is certainly a way to slide the back of the bike and lay it down, but it is rarely the way to escape either the impact or injury.
Tires have a much better grip on the pavement than the side of the bike (or your protective gear), and will stop you in the shortest distance, which hopefully will prevent the impact as well as being able to steer you away from the greatest danger.
Sliding down the road in front of, behind, or even on top of your bike, you are completely at the mercy of physics. You have given up any opportunity to change your trajectory or speed. You have no way to prevent going under the car/truck/bus or over the cliff.
Your best chance of avoiding injury is to stay ON your bike and use the braking and handling capabilities it has to avoid and/or minimize the impact.
Arnie
Very well (and accurately) said Arnie!
Keary, I hope you heal well...the pictures show that you bike is very fixable.
In my low side accident I dislocated my thumb over 2 years ago and I can tell you this:
Immobilize it. You don't need a cast, just a hot formed plastic brace. Wear it.
It will take over a year for the ligaments to heal...in my case over 18 months.
When you do get back on the bike, wear a soft Velcro thumb support brace under your glove.
Cheers
Quote from: Joe Sull on July 17, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
My Dad told me when I got my bike license a long time ago that if I was to jam the rear brake, lay the bike down and get off it. I would come out OK.
Joe, there was a time when this may have worked. Old cable drum brakes were even less efficient at retarding speed than engine braking and laying your bike down with a rigid footrest that would gouge the road like an anchor may have worked. Not very efficient but much better than the next useless front brake most bikes had prior to the 60's and 70's.
The fastest and shortest way to stop a modern bike is upright under brakes, by a long shot. It also leaves you the option of releasing the brakes and swerving, which if heading for something moving often becomes a good choice as the gap narrows and your relative positions change.
Once you lock the back wheel and drop it, you've already had one accident, whether you have a second one sliding down the road with no control over anything any longer and hit something, is in the lap of the Gods at that point.
Noel
Quote from: Arnie on July 17, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Sull on July 17, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
My Dad told me when I got my bike license a long time ago that if I was to jam the rear brake, lay the bike down and get off it. I would come out OK. My first season on a little ts90 suzuki, I had the opportunity to try it out when I was looking away in traffic going 30 - 35 mph. When I looked the traffic was stopped. I practiced it in my head and now was the time to do it. The bike slid under the car and I slid into the bike. The person in front of me never knew it and drove away.
Now that I'm back on a bike, I'll practice in my head again and hope I never have to do it.
Heal quick!!
Joe,
Sorry to inform you that your dad was wrong.
That is certainly a way to slide the back of the bike and lay it down, but it is rarely the way to escape either the impact or injury.
Tires have a much better grip on the pavement than the side of the bike (or your protective gear), and will stop you in the shortest distance, which hopefully will prevent the impact as well as being able to steer you away from the greatest danger.
Sliding down the road in front of, behind, or even on top of your bike, you are completely at the mercy of physics. You have given up any opportunity to change your trajectory or speed. You have no way to prevent going under the car/truck/bus or over the cliff.
Your best chance of avoiding injury is to stay ON your bike and use the braking and handling capabilities it has to avoid and/or minimize the impact.
Arnie
It worked of my old disillusioned dead Dad and it worked for me. I'm not trying to win you over. I don't care how you go about saving your ass, just making conversation.
Yeah Arnie,
don't you know that's how it works?
Same with driving a car, if it looks like yer about to crash, just open the door and jump out.
You can lead a horse to water...
Sorry to hear about the dismount Keary. Glad you came away mostly intact. At least youv'e got one good thumb for fixin that FJ!
Derek
The rest that old tale (tail?) has been 'You can lead a horse to water, then you have to drown them. Sometimes they do it themselves!
I thought it was "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't teach 'em the difference between a homonym and a homophone."
LMFAO :lol:
I thought it was, " You can lead a horse to water , but a pencil must be lead?".
Quote from: Arnie on July 17, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
Quote from: Joe Sull on July 17, 2014, 03:26:13 PM
My Dad told me when I got my bike license a long time ago that if I was to jam the rear brake, lay the bike down and get off it. I would come out OK. My first season on a little ts90 suzuki, I had the opportunity to try it out when I was looking away in traffic going 30 - 35 mph. When I looked the traffic was stopped. I practiced it in my head and now was the time to do it. The bike slid under the car and I slid into the bike. The person in front of me never knew it and drove away.
Now that I'm back on a bike, I'll practice in my head again and hope I never have to do it.
Heal quick!!
Joe,
Sorry to inform you that your dad was wrong.
That is certainly a way to slide the back of the bike and lay it down, but it is rarely the way to escape either the impact or injury.
Tires have a much better grip on the pavement than the side of the bike (or your protective gear), and will stop you in the shortest distance, which hopefully will prevent the impact as well as being able to steer you away from the greatest danger.
Sliding down the road in front of, behind, or even on top of your bike, you are completely at the mercy of physics. You have given up any opportunity to change your trajectory or speed. You have no way to prevent going under the car/truck/bus or over the cliff.
Your best chance of avoiding injury is to stay ON your bike and use the braking and handling capabilities it has to avoid and/or minimize the impact.
Arnie
This is true as long as it's sure that the traction of rubber on pavement is greater than protruding metal on pavement.
My list of slippery that has given me troubles over the years with respect to rubber and pavement (mostly asphalt):
Newly painted lines;
Oil;
Gasoline spilled from a missing cap during a turn of the auto immediately in front of me, I went down instantly;
Leaves;
Metal, both manhole covers and those huge steel plates used for covering large holes during roadwork;
Gravel of course;
Rain, of course, and this adds, to a large degree, to all the above, when combined.
Once when I was new to my Yamaha Midnight Maxim, it was raining, I was accelerating, unbeknownst to me a jeep was stopping in the middle of nowhere, (farmland on both sides of the road, no types of intersection at all.) without brake lights. Before I knew it I was on top of him, with his sudden increased braking, no anticipation, due to no obvious visual cuing, raindrops on my visor. As a new rider the 70/30 braking was lost on me, I likening my motorbike to a bicycle, (of a much lower mass), and many times, over the handlebars, I had went, so I did a 30/70, and started to fishtail to the left, immediately compensating I released, sending my rear back to the right, upon which noting my extremely close proximity to his bumper, I again applied 30/70, adding to the previous momentum, sending me fishtailing to the right this time, and down I went, hitting those damn reflectors between lanes on those California roads, almost ripping my arm out of it's socket, by my elbow making contact with a reflector, sending me careening into the oncoming lane, luckily there was no traffic, and I rode her on her side, passing the jeep by. I was able to stand her up, un-tweak the forks and mirror, stuck with a bent shifter, I was able to make it to a medical clinic, where I was told, that a fraction of an inch deeper, and I would have permanently ruined my elbow joint, which took many years to feel fight again, a constant funny bone pain.
I truly don't know if I would have been able to steer out of it, due to hydroplaning, and I'll never know for sure. After that I enrolled in the only federally sanctioned motorcycle safety course, given by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation. And became extremely familiar with the difference between a relatively massive motorbike and a bicycle, thus 70/30, maybe more, became the rule of the day, on a motorbike that is.
Obviously, control is most important here, and the speed at which one has to make decisions is extremely fast, but what to do when control is no longer an option? Impact, Fly or Slide?
How about, "you can lead a fool to knowledge but you can't make him think."
Please note that my post immediately above is not aimed at anyone, it's just a variation of, "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink," that my father came up with years ago. He thought it clever, yet I think it was the originators intent, and that he just toned it down for civilities sake.
Quote from: JoBrCo on July 18, 2014, 11:30:13 AM
How about, "you can lead a fool to knowledge but you can't make him think."
Close..."You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make 'er think."
Ok so i saw the doctor today at the ball of my thumb there is a chipped bone so they are going do surgery on Tuesday to remove it and pin the joint i will be in a cast for 6 weeks.
Quote from: winddancer on July 18, 2014, 06:29:07 PM
Ok so i saw the doctor today at the ball of my thumb there is a chipped bone so they are going do surgery on Tuesday to remove it and pin the joint i will be in a cast for 6 weeks.
So I gather you won't be going around doing this :good: for a while. Sorry mate, couldn't help myself.
Quote from: Bones on July 18, 2014, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: winddancer on July 18, 2014, 06:29:07 PM
Ok so i saw the doctor today at the ball of my thumb there is a chipped bone so they are going do surgery on Tuesday to remove it and pin the joint i will be in a cast for 6 weeks.
So I gather you won't be going around doing this :good: for a while. Sorry mate, couldn't help myself.
LOL
A couple of years ago, the country's biggest accident research facility came out with this:
In all accidents involving motorbikes hitting something while under brakes, 80% of them could have stopped short of the collision if using the bikes maximum braking potential.
Being able to get close to maximum braking from your bike at any time under any circumstances without notice is surely the holy grail of motorbike control. It is also probably the least practiced and most difficult thing to master (or somewhere close)
There's only a few feet difference between a close call that's forgotten 5 minutes later and a life changing, life ending accident.
I know Pat agrees with me on this, braking exercises should be something you do every ride. You need to know what it feels like just prior to locking, what it sounds like, how to grab a handful in a panic without locking up, modulating it over changing surfaces, such as having to leave the bitumen while under heavy brakes, or water or gravel or paintwork etc.
I occasionally come across an older rider on a new bike who advocates the 'lay it down' theory and then goes on to tell me the number of accidents they have avoided by doing so (dropping you bike and tumbling down the road isn't an accident?) and how they have disabled their ABS to this end.
I often wonder after one of these conversations if, with modern sticky tyres, when the bike is half way down and your foot either leaves the brake pedal or backs off a bit or even if it doesn't, if it wouldn't grab and result in a spectacular high side instead.
I have no plans for field testing this theory.
Noel
I agree 1,000% with you Noel.... :good:
When you take your bike out for your weekly ride, find a quiet *clean* road, warm your tires up, warm your brakes up...then practice, let your rotors cool, then practice, cool, practice, cool,..and practice some more.
Not just your front brakes either....use both front and rear together....I use a two finger squeeze until I feel the front tire shudder. (because in dodgy traffic I keep my brake lever covered with my two fingers)
With R-1 calipers HH pads, ss brake lines, and FZ-1 14mm m/c, a 2 finger pull is all I need
For me...I tend to press too hard on the brake pedal, so I practice a soft firm foot movement.
I find I can modulate the front with 2 fingers much better than modulating the rear brake with my foot...so I specifically practice the rear lockup threshold.
The worst that can happen with this weekly practice is that you may glaze your rotors...no excuse not to practice....rotor glaze is no biggie, it's easy to remove. A cordless drill, a rotary scrub, and all is good.
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After you spin the wheel and scrub the outside face of the rotors, you have to take your front wheel off so as to remove the rotors and flip them over, remount the wheel and then you can scrub the opposite side (inside face) of the rotors. Besides, from time to time, it's a good to get a fresh transfer layer on them anyway.
Practice then cool down. practice, cool......practice, cool......practice, cool.......once a week.
For my sons grade eight science project, we did a stopping distance study with my sons four wheeler. It has disk brakes on the front so it stops relatively well. We drove at a predetermined speed and then did panic stops repeatedly, three times with front brake only, three times with rear only, and three times with both. We tested multiple surfaces, sand, gravel, asphalt and grass. Each stopping distance was measured.
He learned very quickly how the front brakes are far superior for reduced stopping distance but also to assess the surface you are on. I cant tell you how many people in their 40's or older still don't understand the effectiveness of their braking systems. Good advice Pat. Practice those panic stops. Find your limits!!!
My point, from the very beginning, was that one shouldn't fear controlling the bike, whatever is required. While it's true that everyone keeps her upright, using the machines controls, as well as their experience allows, the bottom line is while they shouldn't fear learning what it takes in mastering their bikes completely, becoming one with it, life is the only thing that really matters here! First and foremost any innocent bystanders wanting to remain in their own lane of life, while staying out of yours, then ones fellow riders, and finally oneself. Such that if in fact any particular arbitrary event requires one to either slide or fly as opposed to going down with the ship, then one mustn't equally fear doing so, commanding those actions just as well.
By no means should ditching be the first course of action when it's believed one is in over their head, rather controlling, ditching, then finally ejection/bailout, so says the NATOPS manual! :yes:
I commissioned my 1984 FJ1100 in 1985 and sent her to temporary mothballs in 1995, realizing 10 years and 31,000 miles of accident free flying, never ditching or ejecting. Although I did drop her in my drive way, and once or twice along side a road, and once on fresh blacktop, a few others as well, getting caught up in any particular moment, on the sidelines.
Had my surgery today they put in 2 pins put in and I have a soft cast for 2 weeks then hard cast for 4 weeks thanks for all your good wishes and prayers
Will you be able to play the piano after the cast comes off?
Maybe but that would require knowing how to play the piano in the first place.
Good to hear that you are on the mend. You will be back at full speed before you know it.
Kurt