Hey fellow riders!
How about an FJ clinic and ride in Eastern Ontario? I live just outside Napanee, and have a garage, tools, pop up tents if needed, a BBQ, and decent roads north of here. If I'm right, the fall colours should be bright about that time, in the Westport - Calabogie and hwy 28 areas..... and heading west to the Muskokas ...
Napanee is 1.5 hours from Ottawa, 2hrs from the GTA, 3hrs from Montreal, 2.5hrs from Syracuse, NY....(they all may take longer by car :bad:)
So, this could be a central meeting place for eastern Ont.... we could have a clinic in the morning and shoot for a noon -1pm start for the ride (clinic theme to be determined).
There has been alot of talk over the last few years of a ride through that area.... We should plan one. :good2:
Works good for me I come off Midnights Fri morn and can head out that afternoon..Maybe I can hook up with a few to ride down Fri....conformation to come!
Sounds good herr Wagar. I will be there as long as it doesn't interfere with my father son four wheeler weekend. I go every year, third weekend of September.
If I do go then we can ride up together Rich.
:music:
Pink Floyd " You should have talked to me more often than you did, But no, you had to go your own way".
I should have one of my bikes on the road by then .
Patience is a virtue.
Yup. I'm up for a ride out from there. Mostly what I'd call sweeper territory from my experience. And very scenic. Just time it around the family guys. I should be open any weekend.
:yahoo: Suuuuperb, count me in Wags :good2:
John.
Excellent!!!
It will be great to see everyone and throw some wrenches, and hopefully see some new faces, too.
:drinks:
If I have mine on the road by then, it would be nice to meet some fellow FJ owners.
Quote from: Bidou on June 04, 2014, 08:56:05 PM
If I have mine on the road by then, it would be nice to meet some fellow FJ owners.
Welcome Bidou. :hi: Where are you from? If you need help with the tricks and secrets of the FJ you have come to the right place...
September is still a wayze off yet, so there's a good chance you can make it..... :good2:
A couple weeks ago I went for a ride on some possible roads for the route... should be good...
some of them are freshly paved and the rest are in pretty good shape!
I thought Westport, Ontario might be a good starting point... we could ride road #36 north to Mayberly across #7... then over to #511, via #12, and go north to Calabogie. From Calabogie we could head west over to hwy #41, then south to #28, and then west to Bancroft. That would take approx. 4 hours of riding plus stops... We could continue the ride over to the muskokas as well...
With that route we are getting in the Lanark, Addington, and Muskoka Highlands. Pretty good riding :good:.
So far the roads to Calabogie are great... and I hope to ride the remaining roads before September....
The ride from Napanee to Westport will be decent too. We would head north east to hwy 38, then north on 38 to Godfrey. Westport Rd from Godfrey is a good road ...
Not all riders may be able to complete the entire ride, but anyone can join in at planned stops if they like. Whatdyathink guys? I'll try to get a map up here...
possible map:
https://goo.gl/maps/14H2A
I was just on the 118 out of Bancroft 2 weeks ago...what a beautiful run!
I was chatting with Charlie the other day and we thought of an idea for the FJ maintenance in the morning ....
We will remove the clutch cover to check out the clutch parts inside and make sure things are still within spec; remove the wire circlip too. It will show how really quick and easy it is to do on the fj. Anyone who wants to get a bit of experience with that is welcome to partake in the festivities. I'm sure there will be lots of help and experience on hand, so we could do more than one bike, if need be.
Maybe we could meet early for breakfast, in town here, just beforehand..... Have a few coffees,
Shoot the breeze and then head over..... then maybe around noonish head out for the ride....
Hi Paul Love the idea !!
I can't remember the last time I replaced the clutch on my FJ. Must have been over 10 or 12 or years or more ago.
It started slipping under heavy load .hi rpms last summer. ...... This year it stated to really be hard to shift into neutral at a stop light.
and from time to time going up in the gears. down shifting required a little blip of the throttle.
I also could see the paint around the master cylinder and the slave cylinder. I replaced the clutch leaver and the helped quite a bit.
The bike is drivable again. I went ahead and bought all new Yamaha parts 7 wide Friction disks 1 narrow friction disk 7 steel plates.
a slave and a master cylinder, spring, and a gasket . The only thing part left is the clutch line is still the original one. and I'm not sure what brake fluid to use?
I know if I'm replacing all the hydraulics parts this would be the best time to change to dot5 ? and the line as well.
Quote from: Hemi Bob on July 29, 2014, 06:38:25 PM
Hi Paul Love the idea !!
I can't remember the last time I replaced the clutch on my FJ. Must have been over 10 or 12 or years or more ago.
It started slipping under heavy load .hi rpms last summer. ...... This year it stated to really be hard to shift into neutral at a stop light.
and from time to time going up in the gears. down shifting required a little blip of the throttle.
I also could see the paint around the master cylinder and the slave cylinder. I replaced the clutch leaver and the helped quite a bit.
The bike is drivable again. I went ahead and bought all new Yamaha parts 7 wide Friction disks 1 narrow friction disk 7 steel plates.
a slave and a master cylinder, spring, and a gasket . The only thing part left is the clutch line is still the original one. and I'm not sure what brake fluid to use?
I know if I'm replacing all the hydraulics parts this would be the best time to change to dot5 ? and the line as well.
Excellent pics Hemi!!!! What a gem! That pic of you on it is NICE!!! You have a gifted photographer. :good: lol
Good to hear from you. Long time no see!
Yes, it would be a perfect time to get that done. She will pull like she should after a clutch overhaul. It sounds like you have all the necessary parts.....
Just to clarify:
you have
- the new OEM plates: 6 frictions, 2 narrow frictions, and 7 steels(unless you did the clutch mod trading a narrow friction disk for a regular sized one)
- the new clutch spring
- a fresh new slave ready to go
- a master cylinder rebuild kit
- new clutch cover gasket
- new clutch lever
The fj clutch:
http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1985/FJ1100N/CLUTCH/parts.html (http://www.boats.net/parts/search/Yamaha/Motorcycle/1985/FJ1100N/CLUTCH/parts.html)
If you pick up a Braided SS line to replace the OEM clutch line, we can change that quickly too.
If you want to change to DOT 5 we can do that too.....
Did I miss anything?
Nice pics of your bike, Bob.
The symptoms you're describing are that the clutch is dragging (not fully releasing), which causes the hard to find neutral and other shifting difficulties. Also, the leaking fluid from the slave is your indication of where the problem is. Either replace the clutch slave cylinder seals or the whole slave, bleed properly, and your problem will be solved.
Replacing the rest of the clutch components won't hurt anything but its probably not needed.
Unless your clutch is slipping, you really don't need new plates or spring now. Save them till you do :-)
There is no need to change to Dot 5 brake fluid. Dot 3 or Dot 4 or Dot 5.1 (non-silicone) will all have more than sufficient ability to handle the heat you're likely to get in the clutch system, even within that fully faired bike.
Replacing the clutch line is probably a good idea due to its age.
Hi Paul, :bye:
Yes the photographer (was) is a pretty cool guy!!! :drinks:
I bought 7 wide disk and 1 narrow so we have to get that spring that's way in the back out of there to make it all fit.
As for the clutch master cylinder rebuild kit, it was around $80. So I bought a brand new Yamaha clutch master for a 1989 fj1200
for $114. and got the slave from RPM, I ordered black they shipped silver but for the price I'll keep it.
Has anyone you know of when changing the clutch line just replaced the top and bottom portion and left the steel
factory piece in the middle ? Now is it OK the work on the hot engine after the ride to your place. Or should the bike be cold?
I here the bolt strip pretty easy. Also what type DOT ? break fluid should I put in the system
Hemi Bob
Thanks Arnie,
I was just looking through all my bills for the bike Dating back to Saturday April 13 1985 when I bought her :yahoo:
In July of 1987 I had the clutch replaced with a Barnett. In 89 a new clutch basket all this with 19,000km on the bike.
That's all that has ever been done to the clutch the bike now has 48,000 km did the second gear and fork thing and some
new pistons just to keep it fresh :lol: So it not a big deal to put in some new parts and thanks for the fluid advice I think I'll
stay with DOT 3 that came in the bike.
Hemi Bob
I'm in... looking forward to seeing everyone in September :good:
Quote from: Hemi Bob on July 29, 2014, 09:31:46 PM
Hi Paul, :bye:
Yes the photographer (was) is a pretty cool guy!!! :drinks:
I bought 7 wide disk and 1 narrow so we have to get that spring that's way in the back out of there to make it all fit.
As for the clutch master cylinder rebuild kit, it was around $80. So I bought a brand new Yamaha clutch master for a 1989 fj1200
for $114. and got the slave from RPM, I ordered black they shipped silver but for the price I'll keep it.
Has anyone you know of when changing the clutch line just replaced the top and bottom portion and left the steel
factory piece in the middle ? Now is it OK the work on the hot engine after the ride to your place. Or should the bike be cold?
I here the bolt strip pretty easy. Also what type DOT ? break fluid should I put in the system
Hemi Bob
Arnie's advice is spot on for the dragging clutch, but I understood your clutch was slipping, too. And, yes, we can replace just the parts that are needed and save the ones that are not needed..... Or , just replace all the ones you bought, do the narrow friction disk swap, and remove the wire circlip in there, and any other problems we find..... Either way, she will be happy.
The 1200 clutch master is a good idea..... it will be less expensive to rebuild in the future...... Just to be sure , though, check to make sure the clutch SWITCH on the masters is the same, or fits the same way. I'm not 100% sure, but the brake master switches may not be the same throughout the years... if yours has one that fits/works, or your 1100 one fits, then .... Bob's your uncle... :biggrin:
I havent heard of replacing just part of the clutch line...... I could be wrong, but replacing the whole line would be less expensive, and .... just better.
We wont strip any of those clutch cover bolts..... I have already done that a few times....... and... we will check for stretched ones.... stretching the threads from over tightening them is easy. I might have a couple extra here if we need them.
The temperature of the engine doesnt matter as much..... As long as we dont burn our fingers! .... I have my fans here , too! :rofl2: :flag_of_truce:
Quote from: Arnie on July 29, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
There is no need to change to Dot 5 brake fluid. Dot 3 or Dot 4 or Dot 5.1 (non-silicone) will all have more than sufficient ability to handle the heat you're likely to get in the clutch system, even within that fully faired bike.
I still use DOT 3, too. My understanding is that the DOT 4/5 needs more maintenance(changed more often?), however, they dont strip the painted surfaces....
Quote from: Bob on July 30, 2014, 07:01:41 AM
I'm in... looking forward to seeing everyone in September :good:
Excellent! Hope the summer is treating you well, Bob!
Be good to see you again!
Good times! :drinks:
How's this for a ride?
On the way to Calabogie we will stop for a bite for lunch. ... We will fuel up in Wesport , and head on to Wheelers Pancake House for lunch(?):
http://www.wheelersmaple.com/ (http://www.wheelersmaple.com/)
From there we will take some more winding roads to Calabogie.
If we get away around noon we should be around 2hrs getting to Westport and Wheelers.
It might be easier for some to join in along the route. We can provide updates (texts) on our progress as we go...
JV and I recently rode #16 and it is a great road. I have added it to the route on the way to Calabogie. Gas stations are more rare up there, but we should be fine with the fuel ups. If we fuel up in Westport, we should be fine to Calabogie as its only a deceiving 150km ride.... It will take 3-3.5hrs for that run depending on traffic, our pace, and the lunch break.
From Calabogie we head west and get in the nice roads that way. ... All the way to the Muskokas / Kawarthas. From Calabogie to Griffith, to Bancroft, to Haliburton would be a NICE ride and is 195kms total on main roads.
I rode #28 from Denbigh to McArthurs Mills recently, just to see what it is like, ... and it is NICE.
Are there any better suggestions for roads? Is anyone aware of a lot of construction along the way?
New route
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Westport,+ON,+Canada/Maberly,+ON,+Canada/Elphin,+ON,+Canada/McDonalds+Corners,+ON,+Canada/Elphin,+ON,+Canada/45.0137663,-76.7598278/Lavant+Station,+ON,+Canada/Lanark+Rd,+Calabogie,+ON+K0J+1H0,+Canada/Bancroft,+ON,+Canada/Haliburton+County,+ON,+Canada/@44.9896919,-78.0036881,9z/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Westport,+ON,+Canada/Maberly,+ON,+Canada/Elphin,+ON,+Canada/McDonalds+Corners,+ON,+Canada/Elphin,+ON,+Canada/45.0137663,-76.7598278/Lavant+Station,+ON,+Canada/Lanark+Rd,+Calabogie,+ON+K0J+1H0,+Canada/Bancroft,+ON,+Canada/Haliburton+County,+ON,+Canada/@44.9896919,-78.0036881,9z/data=)!3m1!4b1!4m57!4m56!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd2859c0b449ce1:0xe61d1022073d351d!2m2!1d-76.3996659!2d44.6776761!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd2613f6e76051f:0x14aae138a17ec5c1!2m2!1d-76.541353!2d44.836685!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd25b9c4bc2c2b7:0xf3b4eaa9be1f7b15!2m2!1d-76.616833!2d44.922935!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd2441cc1abe8a7:0x4d0fda39b58f81ac!2m2!1d-76.525914!2d44.958169!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd25b9c4bc2c2b7:0xf3b4eaa9be1f7b15!2m2!1d-76.616833!2d44.922935!1m0!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd24ed175de829b:0xcd3a0b2d3fdb9309!2m2!1d-76.701459!2d45.0437439!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd231a47e80e7af:0x356f67fbfa7e2c0b!2m2!1d-76.6678027!2d45.275985!1m5!1m1!1s0x4cd47b56754675a5:0x5bd2c5aae9c601aa!2m2!1d-77.8548814!2d45.05585
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That is a fantastic ride, you will not be disappointed!!
Good route... it ends on my regular local loop. It will be nice taking the 507 home.
What time does it all start?
I'm heading up Friday after work we we get closer to the date I'll let you know what time and I'm staying Saturday in Bancroft at sister in-laws. .got room for 4
Sounds great fellas,
We hope to start the ride by noon. If we could have the clinic underway by 9 or earlier, we should be good.
For those who can make it, we will also meet for breakfast in Napanee around 730-8am .... (Location to be determined)
:hi: Peter and I will roll your way on the Friday :good2: Floor space for two nights please, if possible :scratch_one-s_head:
John.
Quote from: Tiger on August 06, 2014, 06:10:51 AM
:hi: Peter and I will roll your way on the Friday :good2: Floor space for two nights please, if possible :scratch_one-s_head:
John.
:good:
Will be great to see you again!! GOOD TIMES!! :drinks:
You guys will be almost riding past my house! I am on Boulter Rd off hwy28 Just before McArthurs Mills. Some groups of riders take Boulter Rd to skip across to hwy62. There is a few hills to start out with and a good sized valley view of the conroy marsh for the sennic types who like nature. The road is a little chippy in some spots but not to shabby, just a thought. I should be able to make the ride and look forward to meeting some fellow FJ riders. I need to figure out where to hook up with you lads and go from there. I will also see if my daughter wants to join with me on her EX500.
Donnie :drinks:
Gidday Donnie, :hi:
Will be great to meet you! Join in any where you can. Heck, come on down to Napanee, if you like. Its around a 2 hour ride( to Napanee), and it would finish close to your front door in the evening.
A better road is always welcome! Even better when lead by people who know the area! I remember the view at the top where the turn to Hardwood Lake is. NICE! :good:
Ps: I believe there will be another Ninja on the ride too.
Wheelers is a beautiful spot, out in the middle of nowhere! :good:
There are a few buildings, including a blacksmith, a chainsaw Museum, the restaurant, etc. Etc.
I will grab a couple more pics and post them up...
The main building/restaurant :
I'll reserve us a table for 30. :biggrin:
Hey Paul, providing the weather holds out my daughter and I will be up for the ride. We do not have all our gear yet so if its nasty weather we wont be making it. That being said I prey we will have great weather. Send me an estimate of what time the group we be arriving at the pancake house when you get a chance. We will decide where to meet up!! look forward to meeting some fellow tuning fork lovers. :hi:
Donnie and daughter Megan(ex500)
We hope to be to Wheelers by 2pm. Hopefully earlier than that.
We will certainly keep you posted
The ride should be a good one. I looked up this old article I had seen a few years ago. We will be riding some of those roads, too. .... Wheelers is in there as well.
http://www.ridermagazine.com/travel-features/calabogie-dreaming-riding-the-lake-country-of-eastern-ontario-canada.htm/ (http://www.ridermagazine.com/travel-features/calabogie-dreaming-riding-the-lake-country-of-eastern-ontario-canada.htm/)
So far, the riders attending are:
Tiger, PF, Fuel80guy, myself&wifey, HemiBob, JC, Bob, Akinc, Anvil99, Gp, Donnie, Megan, Sabre, Frank.
Seeing everyone & meeting some new faces will be a great time!
The leaves on the trees up there are starting to turn now. Excellent! Bright fall colours to boot!
Yamaha Motor Canada wants to share in the enthusiasm as well. Thanks to Charlie's efforts, they have sent some swag and best wishes for a fun/safe ride (again).
Good times! :drinks:
:hi: Looking forward to meeting up with every-one this weekend :yahoo:
For those that are going over to Paul's on Friday: I'm meeting up with my brother Peter at Tim Horton's on the N W corner Hwy 9 and Airport Road for 7 a.m. We will be going 'across country' to avoid Toronto and the Friday 400 series rush hour monotony :dash2: Charlie and Co are welcome to join us for a more scenic ride :biggrin:
John.
Quote from: Tiger on September 16, 2014, 12:46:03 PM
:hi: Looking forward to meeting up with every-one this weekend :yahoo:
:drinks:
Safe ride guys. Stay warm.
You guys should try to make a stop at Woody's Cycle in Perth. He is open till 2pm on Sat and he has one of the larger motorcycle wrecking yards in Ontario, as well as a motorcycle museum. He is quite the character and he would love to see a bunch of FJs pull in as he is a proud owner of an 84FJ 1100 recently appraised at $3600.
He has sections of motorcycle parts in the woods... Need a gas tank.. go to the gas tank section where there are hundreds of gas tanks hanging from the trees...
Here is his home page, check out the salvage yard under the 'bikes' tab...
http://woodys-cycles.com/ (http://woodys-cycles.com/)
Quote from: A11an0n on September 18, 2014, 11:11:14 PM
You guys should try to make a stop at Woody's Cycle in Perth. He is open till 2pm on Sat and he has one of the larger motorcycle wrecking yards in Ontario, as well as a motorcycle museum. He is quite the character and he would love to see a bunch of FJs pull in as he is a proud owner of an 84FJ 1100 recently appraised at $3600.
He has sections of motorcycle parts in the woods... Need a gas tank.. go to the gas tank section where there are hundreds of gas tanks hanging from the trees...
Here is his home page, check out the salvage yard under the 'bikes' tab...
http://woodys-cycles.com/ (http://woodys-cycles.com/)
That would be neato! If we have time, we could swing around that area and see Woody's. You would have to lead us there... :biggrin:
Great seeing everyone. Excellent ride. Got home before the rain with a big-ass grin :good2:
Hope no body got nailed on the 513 out of Palmer Rapids grey unmarked Charger had someone pulled over and thought of you guys. Opening day at the big marsh back there in the hills took the grand kids lots of blasting was had by all, sorry I could not make it.
Chiz
Home safe, great ride and we avoided the rain....
Many thanks to our hosts...
....
Quote from: chiz on September 20, 2014, 07:50:18 PM
Hope no body got nailed on the 513 out of Palmer Rapids grey unmarked Charger had someone pulled over and thought of you guys. Opening day at the big marsh back there in the hills took the grand kids lots of blasting was had by all, sorry I could not make it.
Chiz
Nope that wasn't us we got pulled over somewhere else... :negative:
Chit...Chit...Chit...I am pissed at myself. I missed this event... :ireful: Not been around here in a while so I guess thats what I get for not paying attention. Looks like you guys had a great get together and great ride.
Cheers...Jake
Was a great time, and a great ride even though we had to detour to miss the rain. Each FJ ran like a top :good:
Nice pictures, Dan! Will post up some too...
Tiger and PF are still en route home as they took the scenic route north of the major highways.... they would have rode in some nice warm weather as it cleared up nicely.
Quote from: jvb_ca on September 21, 2014, 07:02:12 AM
Chit...Chit...Chit...I am pissed at myself. I missed this event... :ireful: Not been around here in a while so I guess thats what I get for not paying attention. Looks like you guys had a great get together and great ride.
Cheers...Jake
Looking forward to seeing you at the next one, Jake! I'm sure there will be lots more.
:drinks:
:hi: Just rolled in to my place after a great weekend of meeting, riding, eating, drinking and superb hospitality from Herr Wagar (known to a few as ME109 :biggrin: ) and his better half Cathy...thank you both and thank you all for a great time :good2:
Left home on Friday morning with frost on the cars...but warmed up sufficiently a couple of hours in to the four hour ride to Napaneeeeee :dance2:
Saturday was a great riding day with plenty of warm weather and sunshine... :drinks:
Sunday started for home in the rain...wet for an hour, then sunshine and 24 degree's all the way home :wacko3:
Once again, thank you one and all...no accidents, no break downs and everyone got home safe and sound :yahoo:
Until we meet again boys 'n girlies :good2:
John.
a great bunch of riders!!!!!!!
couple nice shots....
Thank you Yamaha Motor Canada!! Thank you Charlie for your work on the poster, and your connections. :good: You were missed on the ride... :sorry:
For the riders:
Very Nice Charlie!!
Thanks everyone for coming out.
Good Times. :drinks:
It's been well over a month since the ride, and I finally got off my hamster wheel of life to send Yamaha Canada a big thank you with notes about the ride, as much as I could make out from the sidelines, and some of those super photos including the cool Yamaha merch' on Paul's truck.
I just wanted all you fellows and ladies to know that the marketing people at Yamaha Canada are more than happy to oblige:
QuoteThanks for the follow up and the pictures. It's our pleasure to help you guys out. It's great to see a group of riders so passionate about their bikes.
Have a great winter.
Thanks again,
I hear the enthusiasm is building for more riding activities next season. As always, I'll do what I can. Winter doesn't mean we have to hole up and be strangers. Some of you know where I live, bwahh, hahh, hahhhh.... Stay in touch.
Charlie
Quote from: Charlie-brm on November 04, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
It's been well over a month since the ride, and I finally got off my hamster wheel of life to send Yamaha Canada a big thank you with notes about the ride, as much as I could make out from the sidelines, and some of those super photos including the cool Yamaha merch' on Paul's truck.
I just wanted all you fellows and ladies to know that the marketing people at Yamaha Canada are more than happy to oblige:
QuoteThanks for the follow up and the pictures. It's our pleasure to help you guys out. It's great to see a group of riders so passionate about their bikes.
Have a great winter.
Thanks again,
I hear the enthusiasm is building for more riding activities next season. As always, I'll do what I can. Winter doesn't mean we have to hole up and be strangers. Some of you know where I live, bwahh, hahh, hahhhh.... Stay in touch.
Charlie
Thank you again, nightrider :biggrin:.
I will be up that way once or twice this winter. I'm sure we will have the freezing winter blahs again. We'll have to plan a get together... :mail1: