Lets get into it people (about time the powers that be found a brain) :dash2: start filling it in then clean out your cookies and do it again.
http://motorbikewriter.com/riders-can-say-lane-filtering/ (http://motorbikewriter.com/riders-can-say-lane-filtering/)
just filled it out, all for it.
Sometimes if people can see you coming they try to block your path, not common at all but its happened, other times if the lanes are going from 2 into 1 they will speed up to try and stop you from getting in front of them. Not really sure why?
Yes, some people will try to block your progress (why?)
However, I've found more car drivers will actually move slightly over to allow you to pass.
(probably worried you'll scratch their car :-)
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on May 21, 2014, 10:20:36 PM
Yes, some people will try to block your progress (why?)
However, I've found more car drivers will actually move slightly over to allow you to pass.
(probably worried you'll scratch their car :-)
Arnie
Some here care and make room for you to get past...
Quote from: FJmonkey on May 21, 2014, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: Arnie on May 21, 2014, 10:20:36 PM
Yes, some people will try to block your progress (why?)
However, I've found more car drivers will actually move slightly over to allow you to pass.
(probably worried you'll scratch their car :-)
Arnie
Some here care and make room for you to get past...
fair enough, as long as there not looking down at the phone texting and suddenly swerve back. lately
i find it hard to trust anyone in a car,
I admit I am a VERY aggressive driver and rider. I push it rather hard most of the time. But I do not like lane-splitting. I've done it a couple times, but feel very uncomfortable doing it. It doesn't feel safe to me. I grew up in Minnesota where there is little traffic, and no need to split lanes. I now live in Hungary where lane splitting is legal and encouraged. I have ridden my FJ in Budapest, where this happens all the time. But I just sit with traffic in my lane and wait.
Italy and France are absolutely out of control with this (in the big cities).
I thought the comment in the article was funny how more of the road can be used, so less need for maintenance (paraphrased).
I am not saying it's a bad idea. There are benefits. Just throwing my opinion out there. :pardon:
fair enough, as long as there not looking down at the phone texting and suddenly swerve back. lately
i find it hard to trust anyone in a car,
Had that very thing happen to me this week. Was at a stop light in a double left turn lane with a car beside me. The car drifted into my lane when we turned. I backed off and watched it weave in and out of its lane. I rode up beside it and observed a middle aged woman texting with the phone in her lap. At the next stop light I got off the bike and beat on her window. She was still texting and I startled her. When she looked up I yelled at her to get off the phone and drive the car! Luckily she turned left and I went straight. Dave :diablo:
Submitted my response...I hope it helps the cause. I tried to be respectful and concise in my responses and essentially, my opinion was summarized by my last comment:
"Lane splitting allows me to opt for the safest place to be on the road. After
34 years and 100,000 miles of riding, I fully understand that we aren't always seen by the often well-intentioned car
driver. Allow us to legally opt for the best and safest riding strategy for the sake of
our own lives. In summary, keep the life or death, in-the-moment decisions in the hands of those
who are most effected."
This doesn't mean a person is required to lane-split, but it's unbelievable to me that if I choose to as the safest option...for the sake of my own safety...that I would be considered an outlaw. Just baffling. As others have noted...in states and cities that have sparse traffic, there is little need for lane splitting. When I lived in the Adirondack Mountains of New York, it never even occurred to me. Here in Los Angeles, it's a viable and oft-used survival strategy.
There is also another advantage that isn't talked about much and that is sitting in traffic with air cooled bikes. That was going to be my excuse when I get pulled over by the boys in blue hopping they would be bike riders themselves and be into giving warnings, at least Queensland police ride the right brand at the moment
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I could be wrong about the warning though
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Submitted my response, anything with common sense to increase the safety of motorcyclist will get my vote.
gday andells, thats always been my main excuse about it being aIR COOLED, if i ever got pulled over,gotta keep the air flowing etc, i dont think these revenue raising chimps would let you off though. they'd just say, " no mate its just to dangerous and we will help you stay alive "
Yeah...just filled mine out, this is definately a step in the right direction.
G'day ken65... There are a few good revenue raisers out there. I was leaving Queensland Raceway after watching a round of the V8 supercars, had the wife on the back of the FJ and was crawling along at walking pace. Bunch of blue standing around not doing much, one heard the bike turned around and asked me where I was heading , told him Brisbane and he yelled back " go around the cars" it was the fastest exit from the raceway I have ever had. :good2:
All this discussion of lane filtering has piqued my memory.
A number of years ago when the SouthEastern Fwy was still the "SouthEastern Freeway, I commuted on it most days.
It was a virtual parking lot with cars and trucks crawling along at 5-15 kmh and almost all the bikes inbetween the lanes doing 30-50kmh.
Of course, you notice what the car occupants are doing as you ride by. This was before mobile phones were universal and many were drinking coffee or eating brekky. Some were putting on makeup or removing hair rollers, some were reading papers or shaving. One morning as I filtered by the cars, I saw one young woman struggling into a pair of pantyhose while she drove !
I slowed down to watch the show :wacko1:, but quickly realized that it was too dangerous and rode on by.
Arnie
Quote from: Andells1200 on May 22, 2014, 07:27:25 AM
G'day ken65... There are a few good revenue raisers out there. I was leaving Queensland Raceway after watching a round of the V8 supercars, had the wife on the back of the FJ and was crawling along at walking pace. Bunch of blue standing around not doing much, one heard the bike turned around and asked me where I was heading , told him Brisbane and he yelled back " go around the cars" it was the fastest exit from the raceway I have ever had. :good2:
I bet it was Stainesy. He likes his FJ better than his modern work bike.
i probably owe stainesy an apology, but recently 3 points and $220 for doing 73k's in a 60 zone hurt, on the ticket it rambled on about black spots or something, you wouldn't have gotten a safer stretch of road.
I believe this guy...single handedly...keeps lane splitting illegal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2peNCoF0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2peNCoF0c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2peNCoF0c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt2peNCoF0c)
Wow that shit for brains needs to lose his licence, bike and a whole lot of cash (probable did) a bit like this goose. I still don't know how this bloke stays on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9huRJbK_ook (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9huRJbK_ook)
Quote from: The General on May 22, 2014, 12:24:08 PM
Quote from: Andells1200 on May 22, 2014, 07:27:25 AM
G'day ken65... There are a few good revenue raisers out there. I was leaving Queensland Raceway after watching a round of the V8 supercars, had the wife on the back of the FJ and was crawling along at walking pace. Bunch of blue standing around not doing much, one heard the bike turned around and asked me where I was heading , told him Brisbane and he yelled back " go around the cars" it was the fastest exit from the raceway I have ever had. :good2:
I bet it was Stainesy. He likes his FJ better than his modern work bike.
Ain't that the truth, love my old FJ. I can't revenue raise from the ken65's of the world on my FJ but I can on the FJR. :i_am_so_happy: This is an interesting topic. I'm guessing that probably the vast majority of FJowners.com members support lane filtering (slow speed) and perhaps some even support lane splitting (high speed).
G'day Stainesy... yeah fully support slow speed NOT high speed. I have been doing it for years shhhhhhhh don't tell anyone !.... On another matter how much is the fine for taking your foot off the peg ?
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These are the guidelines for lane splitting (legally) in California. I think they are reasonable and prudent. If followed, the practice is safe and a benefit to all motorists:
Lane Splitting General Guidelines
Lane splitting in a safe and prudent manner is not illegal in the state of California.
The term lane splitting, sometimes known as lane sharing, filtering or white-lining, refers to the process of a motorcyclist riding between lanes of stopped or slower moving traffic or moving between lanes to the front of traffic stopped at a traffic light.
Motorcyclists who are competent enough riders to lane split, should follow these general guidelines if choosing to lane split:
1) Travel at a speed that is no more than 10 MPH faster than other traffic – danger increases at higher speed differentials.
- A speed differential of 10 miles per hour or less allows an alert, competent rider enough time to identify and react to most dangerous situations that can occur.
- The greater the speed differential, the less time a rider has to identify and react to a hazard.
2) It is not advisable to lane split when traffic flow is at 30 mph or faster --- danger increases as overall speed increases.
- At just 20 mph, in the 1 or 2 seconds it takes a rider to identify a hazard, that rider will travel approximately 30 to 60 feet before even starting to take evasive action. Actual reaction (braking or swerving) will take additional time and distance.
- Braking and stopping distance varies greatly based on a multitude of factors (rider, machine and environment).
- As speed increases, crash severity increases.
3) Typically, it is safer to split between the #1 and #2 lanes than between other lanes.
- Other road users are more accustomed to motorcycles splitting between the #1 and #2 (furthest left) lanes.
- Avoid splitting in lanes near freeway on-ramps and exits.
- Avoid splitting lanes when another motorcycle rider is splitting between other nearby lanes as cars may make additional room for one rider and accidentally reduce space for another.
4) Consider the total environment in which you are splitting, including the width of the lanes, size of surrounding vehicles, as well as roadway, weather, and lighting conditions.
- Some lanes are narrower than others, leaving little room to pass safely. If you can't fit, don't split.
- Some vehicles are wider than others -- it is not advisable to split near wide trucks. If you can't fit, don't split.
- Know the limitations of your motorcycle --- wide bars, fairing and bags require more space between vehicles. If you can't fit, don't split.
- Avoid splitting on unfamiliar roads to avoid surprises such as poor road surfaces.
- Seams in the pavement or concrete between lanes can be hazardous if they are wide or uneven.
- Poor visibility, due to darkness or weather conditions, makes it difficult for riders to see road hazards and makes it more difficult for drivers to see you.
- Help drivers see you by wearing brightly colored protective gear and using high beams during daylight.
5) Be alert and anticipate possible movements by other road users.
- Be very aware of what the cars around you are doing. If a space, or gap, opens up next to your lane, be prepared react accordingly.
- Always be prepared to take evasive action if a vehicle changes lanes.
- Account for inattentive or distracted drivers.
- Riders should not weave back and forth between lanes or ride on top of the line.
- Riders should avoid lingering in blind spots.
- Never ride while impaired by drugs, alcohol or fatigue.
- Constantly scan for changing conditions.
The Four R's or "Be-Attitudes" of Lane Splitting:
Be Reasonable, be Responsible, be Respectful, be aware of all Roadway and traffic conditions.
- Be Reasonable means not more than 10 MPH faster than traffic flow and not over 39 MPH.
- Be Responsible for your own safety and decisions.
Don't put yourself in dangerous positions.
If you can't fit, don't split.
- Be Respectful --- sharing the road goes both ways.
Don't rely on loud pipes to keep you safe, loud pipes often startle people and poison the attitude of car drivers toward motorcyclists.
Other vehicles are not required to make space for motorcycles to lane split.
- Be aware Roadways and traffic can be hazardous.
uneven pavement
wide trucks
distracted drivers
weather conditions
curves
etc.
Disclaimers:
These general guidelines are not guaranteed to keep you safe.
Lane splitting should not be performed by inexperienced riders. These guidelines assume a high level of riding competency and experience.
The recommendations contained here are only general guidelines and cannot cover all possible combinations of situations and variables.
Personal Safety: Every rider has ultimate responsibility for his or her own decision making and safety. Riders must be conscious of reducing crash risk at all times. California law requires all motorcycle riders and passengers wear a helmet that complies with the DOT FMVSS 218 standard.
Risk of getting a ticket: Motorcyclists who lane split are not relieved of the responsibility to obey all existing traffic laws. With respect to possible law enforcement action, keep in mind that it will be up to the discretion of the Law Enforcement Officer to determine if riding behavior while lane splitting is or was safe and prudent.
When is it NOT OK to split?
You should NOT lane split:
- If you can't fit.
- At a toll booth.
- If traffic is moving too fast or unpredictably.
- If dangerous road conditions exist --- examples include water or grit on the road, slippery road markings, road construction, uneven pavement, metal grates, etc.
- If you cannot clearly see a way out of the space you're going into (for example, if a van or SUV is blocking your view).
- Between trucks, buses, RVs, and other wide vehicles.
- Around or through curves.
- If you are not fully alert and aware of your surroundings.
- If you are unable to react to changing conditions instantaneously.
- If you don't feel comfortable with the situation.
Messages for Other Vehicle Drivers
1) Lane splitting by motorcycles is not illegal in California when done in a safe and prudent manner.
2) Motorists should not take it upon themselves to discourage motorcyclists from lane splitting.
3) Intentionally blocking or impeding a motorcyclist in a way that could cause harm to the rider is illegal (CVC 22400).
4) Opening a vehicle door to impede a motorcycle is illegal (CVC 22517).
5) Never drive while distracted.
6) You can help keep motorcyclists and all road users safe by
Checking mirrors and blind spots, especially before changing lanes or turning
Signaling your intentions before changing lanes or merging with traffic
Allowing more following distance, three or four seconds, when behind a motorcycle so the motorcyclist has enough time to maneuver or stop in an emergency
Quote from: Andells1200 on May 23, 2014, 02:07:28 AM
Wow that shit for brains needs to lose his licence, bike and a whole lot of cash (probable did) a bit like this goose. I still don't know how this bloke stays on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9huRJbK_ook (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9huRJbK_ook)
He got lucky, this time. His luck will run out.
Quote from: Andells1200 on May 22, 2014, 03:59:20 AM
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So what's going on in this picture??
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Quote from: Bminder on May 24, 2014, 10:15:57 AM
Quote from: Andells1200 on May 22, 2014, 03:59:20 AM
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So what's going on in this picture??
,,,
My understanding is they are number 12 on the following list. They were obviously Lane splitting. No longer in Queensland. (Coincidently, two thirds of similar clubs have left Queensland in recent years....Many Queenslanders hope the other third will have left before next elections.)
Bandidos 1966 San Leon, Texas, United States
Blue Angels 1963 Glasgow, Scotland
The Breed 1968 Jersey City, New Jersey, United States [1]
Brother Speed 1969 Boise, Idaho, United States
Chosen Few 1959 Los Angeles, California, United States [2][3]
Coffin Cheaters 1970 Perth, Western Australia, Australia [4]
Comanchero 1968 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Condemned Few 2005 Queens, New York, United States [5]
Devils Diciples 1967 Fontana, California, United States
Diablos 1961 San Bernardino, California, United States [6]
El Forastero Motorcycle Club 1962 Sioux City, Iowa, United States
The Finks 1970s Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Free Souls 1968 Eugene, Oregon, United States
Galloping Goose Motorcycle Club 1942 Los Angeles, California, United States [7][8]
Gremium Motorcycle Club 1972 Mannheim, Germany [9]
Grim Reapers 1958 Alberta, Canada [10]
Gypsy Joker Motorcycle Club 1956 San Francisco, California, United States [11]
Hangmen Motorcycle Club 1960 Richmond, California, United States [12][13][14][15]
Head Hunters 1967 West Auckland, New Zealand [16][17][18]
Hells Angels 1948 Fontana, California, United States
Hell's Lovers 1967 Chicago, Illinois, United States
Hessians MC 1968 Costa Mesa, California, United States [19]
Highwaymen 1954 Detroit, Michigan, United States [20]
Invaders 1965 Gary, Indiana, United States [21]
Iron Horsemen 1960's Cincinnati, Ohio, United States
Jus Brothers 1990 San Joaquin County, California, United States [22][23]
Lone Legion ? Blenheim, New Zealand [24]
Lost Breed 1976 Nelson, New Zealand [25]
Market Street Commandos 1940s San Francisco, California, United States
Mobshitters 1970 Hurtsville, New South Wales, Australia [26][27]
Mongols 1969 Montebello, California, United States
Notorious 2007 Sydney, New South Wales, Australia [28]
Outlaws 1935 McCook, Illinois, United States
Pagan's 1959 Prince George's County, Maryland, United States [29]
Peckerwoods MC 1978 Santee, California, United States [30][31]
Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomington 1945 Bloomington, California, United States
Phantom Motorcycle Club 1968 Chicago, Illinois, United States [32]
Rebels Motorcycle Club 1969 Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Rebels Motorcycle Club 1968 Red Deer, Alberta, Canada [33]
Red Devils c. 1940 Hamilton, Ontario, Canada [34][35][36]
Rock Machine 1980s Montreal, Quebec, Canada [37]
Road Knights 1979 Timaru, New Zealand [38][39][40]
Satan's Sidekicks Detroit, Michigan, United States [41][42]
Satan's Soldiers 1980 Bronx, New York, New Jersey, United States, Australia [43][44][45][46]
Satudarah 1990 Moordrecht, Netherlands
Sin City Deciples 1966 Gary, Indiana, United States [47]
Solo Angeles 1959 Tijuana, Mexico
Sons of Satan MC 1954 Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States [48]
Sons of Silence 1966 Niwot, Colorado, United States
Vagos 1965 Temescal Valley, California, United States
Warlocks 1967 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Warlocks 1967 Orlando, Florida, United States
Wheels of Soul 1967 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States [49]
So what's going on with this picture ?
They are basically pulling all the bikes over, then they will check for drugs, licence, bike, registration, DUI, and now they are allowed to take photos of your tattoos on the side of the road. Someone will correct me if I am wrong. In this YouTube clip I find the question the female police officer asks about how hot it is today and you are wearing a vest? It's a bit thick on her part when half the coppers there are wearing a vest. I think they held this bloke at the servo for far more time than necessary because he was filming them. Funny how it's OK for them to film but they don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMOiMopMCU)