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Title: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 03, 2014, 03:00:06 PM
For the past 2 years I have owned 2 very nice, polished aluminium adapters. These allow me to bolt 'blue spot' calipers to my '11. I also have the calipers. I have 3 metres of ss cable. I'm only interested in the front brakes. I want to keep the anti-dive. What connectors (banjo's, olives, washers etc) do I need to buy? I am 'intelligent' but I can't figure it out. Thank you. Tony
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: aviationfred on January 03, 2014, 03:36:36 PM
I believe for each caliper/anti-dive unit you should need a Double length banjo bolt to attach the brake line and anti-dive line to the caliper. Run the anti-dive line forward the the anti-dive unit and use OEM bolt to attach the line.

Fred
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 03, 2014, 04:36:23 PM
Thank you. However, like Watson, when he's with Sherlock, I am limited in my understanding. Say, 3 yards (US) of hose, blue spots, and the adapter plates. Keeping the anti dive. Just go through it, (again) as if you were talking to an ignoramus. Please. I need to get it right. Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: aviationfred on January 03, 2014, 05:51:53 PM
Here is a link to a pre-made braided brake line set. I use this brand on my 89' 3CV.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goodridge-Yamaha-FJ1200-ANTIDIVE-86-87-Front-Braided-Brake-Lines-Hoses-/290935899997?pt=UK_Other_Clothing_Protection&var=&hash=item43bd21875d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goodridge-Yamaha-FJ1200-ANTIDIVE-86-87-Front-Braided-Brake-Lines-Hoses-/290935899997?pt=UK_Other_Clothing_Protection&var=&hash=item43bd21875d)


There is a fellow member who is also near you. He is very knowledgeable and may be able to give you some advise personally. Member name  'Alf'   from Tenerife, Canary Islands

Here is a diagram of the OEM brake lines.

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/FRONT_MASTER_CYLINDER_zps85cb8a8c.png) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/FRONT_MASTER_CYLINDER_zps85cb8a8c.png.html)

Hope this helps.

Fred
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: rktmanfj on January 03, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why you'd want to keep the 'anti-dive' 'functional'...      :scratch_one-s_head:

Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: Arnie on January 03, 2014, 08:05:39 PM
Quote from: not a lib on January 03, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why you'd want to keep the 'anti-dive' 'functional'...      :scratch_one-s_head:

It would be nice to have a functional anti-dive system.  Shame Yamaha never made one for the FJ.
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: aviationfred on January 03, 2014, 09:55:13 PM
This would be a better option and you would have better handling and braking. Plus the blue spots bolt directly to the forks. You would be able the sell the fork/brake caliper adaptor plates and recover some of your expense.

Non anti-dive forks

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gabel-front-fork-Yamaha-FJ-1200-3YA-/111249379824?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item19e6fad1f0 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gabel-front-fork-Yamaha-FJ-1200-3YA-/111249379824?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item19e6fad1f0)

17"x3.5" FZR1000 front wheel. Direct bolt on with no modification required.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Yamaha-FZR-1000-1987-1988-Felge-vorne-Front-Wheel-201029177-/390530264117?pt=Kraftrad_Felgen&hash=item5aed6aec35 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Yamaha-FZR-1000-1987-1988-Felge-vorne-Front-Wheel-201029177-/390530264117?pt=Kraftrad_Felgen&hash=item5aed6aec35)

Dual line stainless steel brake lines.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/YAMAHA-1989-1994-FJ-1200-GALFER-BRAIDED-STAINLESS-STEEL-FRONT-BRAKE-LINE-KIT-/300865005606?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460cf3a826 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/YAMAHA-1989-1994-FJ-1200-GALFER-BRAIDED-STAINLESS-STEEL-FRONT-BRAKE-LINE-KIT-/300865005606?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460cf3a826)

Arashi wave rotors.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-YAMAHA-FZ750-FZS-FZR-600-XJR-TZ-250-TDM-TRX-850-FJ1200-B-/290931685599?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item43bce138df (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-YAMAHA-FZ750-FZS-FZR-600-XJR-TZ-250-TDM-TRX-850-FJ1200-B-/290931685599?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item43bce138df)

This is the complete front end mod for 84'-87' FJ's. You will be very pleased with this set up. Better tire choice, better braking and better handling.

Fred
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: craigo on January 04, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
When replacing brake lines, it is very important to use new crush washers on both sides of the hose fittings. The measurement is 10mm and can be bought at most auto parts stores.

And watch out for brake fluid on paint and plastic parts. It doesn't take but a few seconds to ruin your tank or fairing parts.

CraigO
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:36:42 AM
Quote from: craigo on January 04, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
When replacing brake lines, it is very important to use new crush washers on both sides of the hose fittings. The measurement is 10mm and can be bought at most auto parts stores.

And watch out for brake fluid on paint and plastic parts. It doesn't take but a few seconds to ruin your tank or fairing parts.

CraigO
I will be careful, although the bike is old but still good looking. Local autoparts store here is, well....rare and a bit like waiting for food in a ´´cold war´´ Russian shop......nothing on display. Tony
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:40:17 AM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 03, 2014, 05:51:53 PM
Here is a link to a pre-made braided brake line set. I use this brand on my 89' 3CV.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goodridge-Yamaha-FJ1200-ANTIDIVE-86-87-Front-Braided-Brake-Lines-Hoses-/290935899997?pt=UK_Other_Clothing_Protection&var=&hash=item43bd21875d (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Goodridge-Yamaha-FJ1200-ANTIDIVE-86-87-Front-Braided-Brake-Lines-Hoses-/290935899997?pt=UK_Other_Clothing_Protection&var=&hash=item43bd21875d)


There is a fellow member who is also near you. He is very knowledgeable and may be able to give you some advise personally. Member name  'Alf'   from Tenerife, Canary Islands

He is indeed and is in contact. Thank you so much for the diagram, I shall print it. I have trouble ´´seeing the finishd result´´ and seeing it in 3D. Useless trying to learn the structure of the Double Helix. Tony

Here is a diagram of the OEM brake lines.

(http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o145/aviationfred/FRONT_MASTER_CYLINDER_zps85cb8a8c.png) (http://s119.photobucket.com/user/aviationfred/media/FRONT_MASTER_CYLINDER_zps85cb8a8c.png.html)

Hope this helps.

Fred
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:43:10 AM
Quote from: not a lib on January 03, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why you'd want to keep the 'anti-dive' 'functional'...      :scratch_one-s_head:
everything

It´s ´´áesthetics´´ I saw one many years ago with  fitted in SS, highly polished. Functional ( or not) it looked good. Tony
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:46:30 AM
Quote from: aviationfred on January 03, 2014, 09:55:13 PM
This would be a better option and you would have better handling and braking. Plus the blue spots bolt directly to the forks. You would be able the sell the fork/brake caliper adaptor plates and recover some of your expense.

Non anti-dive forks

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gabel-front-fork-Yamaha-FJ-1200-3YA-/111249379824?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item19e6fad1f0 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Gabel-front-fork-Yamaha-FJ-1200-3YA-/111249379824?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item19e6fad1f0)

17"x3.5" FZR1000 front wheel. Direct bolt on with no modification required.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Yamaha-FZR-1000-1987-1988-Felge-vorne-Front-Wheel-201029177-/390530264117?pt=Kraftrad_Felgen&hash=item5aed6aec35 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Yamaha-FZR-1000-1987-1988-Felge-vorne-Front-Wheel-201029177-/390530264117?pt=Kraftrad_Felgen&hash=item5aed6aec35)

Dual line stainless steel brake lines.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/YAMAHA-1989-1994-FJ-1200-GALFER-BRAIDED-STAINLESS-STEEL-FRONT-BRAKE-LINE-KIT-/300865005606?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460cf3a826 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/YAMAHA-1989-1994-FJ-1200-GALFER-BRAIDED-STAINLESS-STEEL-FRONT-BRAKE-LINE-KIT-/300865005606?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item460cf3a826)

Arashi wave rotors.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-YAMAHA-FZ750-FZS-FZR-600-XJR-TZ-250-TDM-TRX-850-FJ1200-B-/290931685599?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item43bce138df (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotor-YAMAHA-FZ750-FZS-FZR-600-XJR-TZ-250-TDM-TRX-850-FJ1200-B-/290931685599?pt=DE_Motorradteile&hash=item43bce138df)

This is the complete front end mod for 84'-87' FJ's. You will be very pleased with this set up. Better tire choice, better braking and better handling.

Fred
Right, I´ll go through all of those links. I suppose I should keep an open mind. Thanks for that Fred.
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: craigo on January 04, 2014, 08:15:12 AM
Quote from: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:36:42 AM
Quote from: craigo on January 04, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
When replacing brake lines, it is very important to use new crush washers on both sides of the hose fittings. The measurement is 10mm and can be bought at most auto parts stores.

And watch out for brake fluid on paint and plastic parts. It doesn't take but a few seconds to ruin your tank or fairing parts.

CraigO
I will be careful, although the bike is old but still good looking. Local autoparts store here is, well....rare and a bit like waiting for food in a ´´cold war´´ Russian shop......nothing on display. Tony

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MM-BRAKE-LINE-BANJO-BOLT-CRUSH-WASHERS-HARLEY-/170881586126?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c95613ce&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MM-BRAKE-LINE-BANJO-BOLT-CRUSH-WASHERS-HARLEY-/170881586126?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c95613ce&vxp=mtr)

They ship worldwide. I bought these exact same washers when I upgraded my calipers and master.

CraigO
Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: rktmanfj on January 04, 2014, 11:00:14 AM
Quote from: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:43:10 AM
Quote from: not a lib on January 03, 2014, 06:43:53 PM
I'm still trying to figure out why you'd want to keep the 'anti-dive' 'functional'...      :scratch_one-s_head:
everything

It´s ´´áesthetics´´ I saw one many years ago with  fitted in SS, highly polished. Functional ( or not) it looked good. Tony

Hey, it's your bike... it should look like you want it.    :yes:

Title: Re: Front Brakes FJ11
Post by: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 11:06:28 AM
Quote from: craigo on January 04, 2014, 08:15:12 AM
Quote from: homerfj1100 on January 04, 2014, 01:36:42 AM
Quote from: craigo on January 04, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
When replacing brake lines, it is very important to use new crush washers on both sides of the hose fittings. The measurement is 10mm and can be bought at most auto parts stores.

And watch out for brake fluid on paint and plastic parts. It doesn't take but a few seconds to ruin your tank or fairing parts.

CraigO
I will be careful, although the bike is old but still good looking. Local autoparts store here is, well....rare and a bit like waiting for food in a ´´cold war´´ Russian shop......nothing on display. Tony

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MM-BRAKE-LINE-BANJO-BOLT-CRUSH-WASHERS-HARLEY-/170881586126?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c95613ce&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/10MM-BRAKE-LINE-BANJO-BOLT-CRUSH-WASHERS-HARLEY-/170881586126?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item27c95613ce&vxp=mtr)

They ship worldwide. I bought these exact same washers when I upgraded my calipers and master.

CraigO

Thank you. Tony