Hi Guys, and happy new year!
I have prepped my new fiberglass top fairing for painting, and the only thing left is to cut out the holes for the turnsignals..
This got me thinking. Since the fiberglass fairing don't come With the back bracket/mounting Points for the turnsignal (the one you have screw in) I thought i might look into other ways of achieving turnsignals.
By that i mean Mount new one elsewhere etc.
I Guess there got to be someone on this forum that have done this? I would risk cutting the holes to find them not Perfect fir to the lenses, and ending up with gluing them on the fairing etc..
The search function didn't turn up any thread which awnsered my question.
Cheers
I had to repair the turn signal mounting tabs on my fairing where the screws attach. I made a tab for each side from 26 gauge sheet metal, folded over to double the thickness and then I used JB Weld to attach them to the fairing. I would imagine you could do something similar and fiberglass the bracket to the inside of the fairing. You might look for some flush mount turn signals for other bikes as well.
Perhaps a tail-light with integrated turn signals?
http://rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3ALEDSMKBL-TS&cat=30 (http://rpmracingca.com/proddetail.asp?prod=M%2FC%3ALEDSMKBL-TS&cat=30)
Ken has an aftermarket fiberglass 86 upper fairing. It does not have the cutout or the mounting tabs for the forward turn signals. So he could attempt to put the stock units in, but that requires accurate cutting where the unit go and fabbing up mounting tabs, or he could do something different since the holes are cut yet. Am I close Ken?
Yes. There are so many after market flush mount turn signals. That would look great. Much better than the big stalks the 1100s have.
Opps, I missed the point entirely, my apologies. I fitted flush signals on my '84, I think it gave it a much sleeker look.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/100_2381.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/100_2381.jpg.html)
Quote from: FJmonkey on January 03, 2014, 11:02:15 AM
Ken has an aftermarket fiberglass 86 upper fairing. It does not have the cutout or the mounting tabs for the forward turn signals. So he could attempt to put the stock units in, but that requires accurate cutting where the unit go and fabbing up mounting tabs, or he could do something different since the holes are cut yet. Am I close Ken?
Hey Mark!
Sorry for the late response, for some reason i haven't gotten a email warning of any reply on this thread and have been busy at work.
Anyway, yes you are spot on Mark !! Its a aftermarket fiberglass fairing, and it damn nice too.. The only drawback is the mounting tab as you mention.
I have not cut the holes yet as i am afraid the need to pretty accurate, therefore i am look for alternative solutions.
Cheers
Quote from: Dads_FJ on January 03, 2014, 07:12:49 PM
Opps, I missed the point entirely, my apologies. I fitted flush signals on my '84, I think it gave it a much sleeker look.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/100_2381.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/100_2381.jpg.html)
Yes those look like perfect solution for me! :good2: Were did you get them and how are they mounted?
I need to figure this out by this week, as I need to ship all my fairings part out for painting..
Quote from: Country Joe on January 03, 2014, 07:26:13 AM
I had to repair the turn signal mounting tabs on my fairing where the screws attach. I made a tab for each side from 26 gauge sheet metal, folded over to double the thickness and then I used JB Weld to attach them to the fairing. I would imagine you could do something similar and fiberglass the bracket to the inside of the fairing. You might look for some flush mount turn signals for other bikes as well.
Yes that's a good alternative, but since my fairing is a aftermarket fiberglass on, the holes doesn't come pre-cut. And it would be a shame to destroy the looks of it by badly cut holes.
That's the reason i am look for something else you see :yes:
Quote from: keand3 on January 08, 2014, 05:38:13 AM
Quote from: Dads_FJ on January 03, 2014, 07:12:49 PM
Opps, I missed the point entirely, my apologies. I fitted flush signals on my '84, I think it gave it a much sleeker look.
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb37/campsimonette/100_2381.jpg) (http://s208.photobucket.com/user/campsimonette/media/100_2381.jpg.html)
Yes those look like perfect solution for me! :good2: Were did you get them and how are they mounted?
I need to figure this out by this week, as I need to ship all my fairings part out for painting..
Here ya' go: http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-SPORTBIKE-FLUSH-MOUNT-I-TURN-SIGNAL-BLACK-AMBER-SINGLE-FILAMENT.html (http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-SPORTBIKE-FLUSH-MOUNT-I-TURN-SIGNAL-BLACK-AMBER-SINGLE-FILAMENT.html)
or http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Amber-Flush-Mount-I-Single-Filament-Marker-Light-/331087945129?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d16611da9&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Amber-Flush-Mount-I-Single-Filament-Marker-Light-/331087945129?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4d16611da9&vxp=mtr)
Available in smoke too, but not be legal: http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-SPORTBIKE-FLUSH-MOUNT-I-TURN-SIGNAL-BLACK-SMOKE-SINGLE-FILAMENT.html (http://www.lockhartphillipsusa.com/LP-USA-SPORTBIKE-FLUSH-MOUNT-I-TURN-SIGNAL-BLACK-SMOKE-SINGLE-FILAMENT.html)
Mounting is quite easy, three small holes (two for mounting the unit to the fairing and one to run the wires through). They are available from Parts Unlimited or other Motorcycle parts suppliers. Good luck!
I had the smoked ones on my 87 fzr1000. Back in 87-90. Never got in trouble but. It does give them an excuse to pull you over if they want to.
Thanks John!
I will bee taking them a closer look when time comes. I do believe smoked/tinted is leagal here i Norway, so i might buy those.
Always fun to get pulled over... :good2: :rofl2:
I actually started looking for a solution to this problem about a few years ago when one of my turn signals fell out of my upper fairing on my '87 (inner mounting tabs finally gave out). I was able to cement the mounting tabs back together, but I figured that it was only a matter of time until I was going to have to come up with a new solution. A few ideas I considered.
- Bar End Turn Signals: I started seeing these show up on the market about a year ago, and I figured it wouldn't be difficult to wire them in. The problem I personally had with the models I found, was that they didn't seem to provide any vibration damping, and I would have had to give up my Vibranators. Without the Vibranators, my hands would go numb fairly quickly and because of that, I wasn't willing to give them up in order to put turn signals in the bar ends.
- Turn Signals in the Mirrors: I seriously considered these as a preferred option, however I was also looking for mirrors that would let me see more than my shoulders. Unfortunately, I never found a set that would meet this dual criteria of a superior rear view and integrated turn signals.
- Install Turn Signals on Amber Reflector Mounts: A few years ago, I was trying to install LED turn signals into my Dowco Saddle Bags, and ended up purchasing a set of amber reflectors with integrated LED's. I wasn't able to get them to function as turn signals (they required more power than the turn signal wires provided), but they worked great as marker lights (powered directly off the battery) so I swapped out my OEM amber reflectors with these. I found that the mounting points would also work well for turn signals, but where as the reflectors wouldn't make the best turn signals (they can't be seen well from the front of the bike) a set of Rizoma's (or other brand) would. If you are required to have the reflectors installed for licensing inspections, then it may not be a perfect solution. However, you might be able to still use it as a mounting point, by rigging up a bracket of some kind to mount the turn signals below/above or to the front/rear of the reflector.
Hope the info helps.
Thanks for the tip. Will look into it.
QuoteIf you are required to have the reflectors installed for licensing inspections, then it may not be a perfect solution.
Luckily, its not required :i_am_so_happy:
Quote from: keand3 on January 08, 2014, 01:29:14 PM
Thanks John!
I will bee taking them a closer look when time comes. I do believe smoked/tinted is leagal here i Norway, so i might buy those.
Always fun to get pulled over... :good2: :rofl2:
That is the big thing......95% of those aftermarket signals are not DOT approved for the USA. Any Kellermann signals you like? They are TUV approved.
Quote from: JMR on January 08, 2014, 04:54:22 PM
That is the big thing......95% of those aftermarket signals are not DOT approved for the USA. Any Kellermann signals you like? They are TUV approved.
Yes, Kellermann have a lot of nice ones. just unsure how those would look like on the bike. I would prefer some more flush with the fairing.
Damn, hard to decide :scratch_one-s_head:
Some indicators would also need to have added a resistor to work proparly i think, and i would like to have it most hazel free as possible.
Kellermann BL2000 LED are nice looking to, and i would conider them, but anyone tried to fit them on the FJ? Wiring issues etc?
Hmm..??. Then it would need to be matching back indicators as well... Thats a project for later i guess...
This turnsignal mod got me thinking on intergrated turnsignals in the mirrors.
Have seen this cbr 600 mirrors, and i guess they will fit for the cbr mod??
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WGEFHO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007WGEFHO&linkCode=as2&tag=cycle0c3-20 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WGEFHO/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B007WGEFHO&linkCode=as2&tag=cycle0c3-20)
Anyone who know where to get some propper resistors to make my led turnsignals work?
The seller suggested a 10ohm 10v resistor of some sort..
Cheers
Ken
Quote from: keand3 on February 01, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
Anyone who know where to get some propper resistors to make my led turnsignals work?
The seller suggested a 10ohm 10v resistor of some sort..
Cheers
Ken
eBay
Quote from: not a lib on February 01, 2014, 11:30:13 AM
eBay
Well, yes.. That's the obvious place to search. But thanks for the tip :good2:
I do how ever, see that i have not formulated my question very good so I'll try again...
Is there any preferred brand or special type off resistors that's recommended for LED turnsignals? (mounting compability etc..)
eBay is full of them and it's so many different types to choose from (and yes I did search eBay before asking here) :drinks:
Cheers
Ken, it is nothing special for the LED. The resistor creates a controlled short from Hot to Ground (right at the light or near it is convenient) just enough for the FJ to detect that the filament in the bulb is still intact. Without the resistor the FJ thinks the filament is broken and flashes quickly to alert you that one or more bulbs require replacement. If you like the faster flash rate then you don't need to bother with resistors, the LEDs will work and flash as required. I have some resistors I got at Radio Shack and had my friend in the R&D lab conduct a continuous load test with the LED lights I want to install. The test was stopped after 12 hours with no unusual heat or failures. Considering that for the turn signals they are not on all the time, and when they are it is intermittent. Don't spend a lot for heavy duty resistors. If you don't have an answer by Monday then I can see what size my resistors are and post up.
6 ohm 50 watt should do the trick.
These are the resistors That I used to slow down the flashing when I installed the RPM LED tail light with integrated turn signals. They are 11 ohms
http://www.ebay.com/itm/370966240152?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/370966240152?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Fred
Excellent! This was just the type of info i was looking for. Thanks guys :good2:
Ken
Just found a LED flasher relay for my bike. But replaceing OEM flaher relay would affect all four indicators on the bike, right? Would need all four to be LED?
It would be a cleaner mod with replaceing the flasher relay instead of adding new wires and resistors and splicing them in on the circut.
A "LED flasher relay" should work fine no matter if your turn lamps are LED or incandescent or mixed.
The "standard" flasher has a bi-metalic element inside that heats up and bends to break the circuit (flash). This depends on a specific range of current passing though.
A "LED flasher relay" uses a timer circuit to control the relay which makes and breaks the circuit. Current draw is un-important to flash rate.
Ok Thanks.
But from looking at the turn flasher on the bike and the wirediagram, there is no relay that i can replace it with. Corret? I would have to add the relay to the system, or the flasher circut?
Kinda a noob when it comes to this sort of stuff
Cheers
Ken
I did some more searching and i found this:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/271333433271?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1 (http://m.ebay.com/itm/271333433271?nav=SEARCH&sbk=1)
Its a LED flasher relay replacement for the OEM flasher. But its stated to fit fj 91 to 93..
Will it be worth fitting my old 86? From the partnumbers it looks like the wont..
Is your current flasher a 3 pin device?
The unit you found on Ebay looks to be a 3 pin device.
I have never looked at the connector on my '91, but I will today and get back to you.
You might have to cobble up some kind of adaptor plug, but it should work.
Im going from memory now, but i recal the OEM flasher is either 6 or 8 pin? The wire harness attaches to it through connector block. Can't recall how many pins. Will take a look after work today.
By the looks of it might seem like some of the other wired attached to the flasher is just "passing" through?
Cause its just the turnsignals them self that needs this relay?
I took a look at the flasher control unit today (from my spare loom), and the connector has 6 pins, 1 pin, and another 4 pins. I don't have any idea WTF they are doing with 11 connections.
And, I'm now wondering if this spare loom is even the correct one as the Clymer schematics show a 3 pin flasher unit for both the US and UK versions of the '91-93 bikes.
I had expected (yeah, I know :dash2: ) that it would be a "normal" automotive 3 pin device even if the connector had been changed. Perhaps the earlier bikes' flasher relay black box also contained the logic controls for the auto-canceling of the turn indicators. Sorry.
I was hoping to get a hold of my old factory '86-'87 supplementary FJ1200 service manual to confirm this info, but I've had no luck contacting the new owner. When I installed Randy's L.E.D. Taillight w/integrated turn signals I actually looked into installing a digital flasher relay but ran into this same issue. If I recall correctly, the supplemental manual has a couple of wiring diagrams in it; one of which is a more detailed break down of the 'Relay Assembly'. What many people think is the 'Flasher Relay' is actually a larger assembly consisting of 3 sub components (at least on 86 & 87's): the flasher relay itself, the turn signal self canceling unit, and another relay (not sure what it services, I just assumed some of the other electronics or lights). I do recall the diagram showing that only two or three of the wires going into the large connector were for the flasher relay. When I identified these, I considered cutting them and soldering in a digital relay, but wasn't sure if disconnecting those wires from the relay assembly would affect any of the other components. I assumed that it would disable the self canceling unit, as there was a circuit that ran from the flasher relay to it. What I wasn't sure is weather that would affect the other component of the relay assembly. Also, I really didn't want to hack into my wiring harness just to find out that I was going to have to repair it, in the event the digital relay didn't work. I'm still trying to get a hold of the new owner, and borrow the manual back to confirm this info. However, I don't know how long it may take.
Yes, all those pins dosn't make any sence... Why do they need all those pins and wires running thru a "simple" flasher relay? Turns out not so simple after all? :dash1:
Non of those i have discussed this with have any clue why how our what... What was that japanese engineer thinking of when he mad the bike back in the 80s?
I think i will order a led relay, and strip of those 3 wires needed and see how it goes. This issue needs to be addressed sooner or later, i mean those OEM flashers dosn't get any cheaper as time pass by nor become any more for that matter. Has there ever been made a good replacement unit for the OEM flasher?
In my Haynes manual the diagram shows several wires entering that relay to, but no break down of the relay itself. It sure would be nice to know what those others wires did in the. Just passing through? It sure would be my guess.
I didn't get the time to look at the flasher relay after work yesterday but try again today (have to commute 2h to work then 2h back home until june) . Have seen led flasher relay replacement for the OEM for the 91 to 93, but non for the 86 or 87.
Cheers
Ken
Just a guess but, self canceling turn signals has a circuit run to the odometer so it cancels based on distance traveled...
Pat,
The self-canceling "feature" is much fancier than you're describing.
It requires BOTH a time and a distance datum to be met for it to cancel the signal.
The time is done via a timer circuit and the distance is determined by counting the pulses from a reed switch in the odometer.
About the only way they could have made it more complex would have been to use a multi-channel GPS for both the time signal and the distance measurement. :-/
Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 04, 2014, 02:24:17 AM
Just a guess but, self canceling turn signals has a circuit run to the odometer so it cancels based on distance traveled...
This might seem like a dumb question but which year model are you referring to, regarding the self-cancelling?
As far as i know the 86 doesn't have this feature, at least not mine :scratch_one-s_head:
Not that i need it but would be nice to have off it was incorporated.
Anyway, i will look at my relay when i get home and post some pictures of it. Could load up picture form the wiring diagram to if it wanted.
Cheers
Ken
Found this thread from 2009, apparently someone have converted from oem flasher to a new flasher. But unfortunately it's not described how he went forward with this.
Quote from: keand3 on February 04, 2014, 09:05:45 AM
This might seem like a dumb question but which year model are you referring to, regarding the self-cancelling?
As far as i know the 86 doesn't have this feature, at least not mine :scratch_one-s_head:
Not that i need it but would be nice to have off it was incorporated.
Anyway, i will look at my relay when i get home and post some pictures of it. Could load up picture form the wiring diagram to if it wanted.
Cheers
Ken
Ken, your bike should have self canceling turn signals. From the 86 Owners Manual in the Files Section: http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=700.0;attach=334 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=700.0;attach=334) (Pg 4-7).
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/692_04_02_14_10_34_58.jpeg)
To be honest, I found the Self Canceling feature somewhat hit or miss. Mine worked most of the time, but I often still had to hit the cancel function on the switch.
FWIW, depending on how much time you have to spend on it (and how much value you place on that time), you might find it better to replace it with another unit. This stuff self-cancels, and handles LEDs:
http://kisantech.com/mag/index.php/signalminder.html?p=1 (http://kisantech.com/mag/index.php/signalminder.html?p=1)
Okay, so it has the self-cancelling function, which obviously doesn't work on my bike :wacko3:
I really don't need that function, as i have always been cancelling it my self (obviously)..
Quote from: not a lib on February 04, 2014, 11:53:16 AM
FWIW, depending on how much time you have to spend on it (and how much value you place on that time), you might find it better to replace it with another unit. This stuff self-cancels, and handles LEDs:
http://kisantech.com/mag/index.php/signalminder.html?p=1 (http://kisantech.com/mag/index.php/signalminder.html?p=1)
Yes, that is what I had in mind. But under the
"running light option", its states
"regular harness" and
"harness with DIODES". Since i have (or will have) LED as front signals, i would need to go for the
DIODE harness, right? I notice i have a lack off experience with this kind of issues...
I do how ever have some consurns with a 3pin replacement. How would I have to wire the new relay? More specific, how would i know which wire goes on which pin? I'm guessing all the wires would still be needing a connection through it.
Went out and took a look at the relay unit, and it is as described earlier in the thread, a 9 pin connector unit. Its hard to get an overview of which wires entering this relay by looking at the harness, so I took a look at the wire diagram from my Haynes manual. If that manual is correct, the wires from other units is either entering directly into it or the relay is somehow connected to the units circut.
If someone who has a bit more experience with this then me, I would much appreciate all the help.. Its somewhat confusing...
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/2912_04_02_14_12_14_17_2.jpeg)
If you follow each wire on the diagram it seems like most unit/switch etc gets a complete circut, somehow...?
According to the diagram, this flasher unit seems to be the only relay on the bike to except for the starter relay. I find that a bit strange...
I tried disconnecting the relay, and there was power, and all switches on my left handlebar was working except for the turnsignals. I did not try to fire her up though, since my 1,5 year old daughter is sleeping in the room right next to the garage. But i would suspect the relay is needed to get her started?
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/2912_04_02_14_12_14_15_1.jpeg)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/2912_04_02_14_12_14_12_0.jpeg)
My goal, eventually somewhere in the near future, is to replace this OEM flasher relay, with something a bit more modern. Those flasher relays are starting to get old and hard to replace with OEM's.
Once I figure out "roughly" how to wire up a new 3 pin Relay, i will give it a go. :good2: I also thought I might do a writeup (will consider videotaping it too) on the process as well since there dosen't seem to be one at the moment. Others might need a helping hand later on when or if they choose to do this mod.
Cheers
Ken
An small update.
I contacted Doc in the UK FJClub, with the same question to if he could shade some light on the questions i have.
Unfortunately he was out of the shop so i talked to coworker of him. Although he didn't have that much experience with this, alt those wires is for the self-cancelling feature to work. In regard to wiring up a new 3 pin relay he wasn't able to help.
But if all other features and systems on the bike works properly without the flasher relay attached, then it should be straight forward after one have found the turnsignal wires.
I have an extrs wire harness somewhere, will try to find it and locate ever each wires goes.
Ken
Ken, the later FJ's did not have the self canceling feature. My '92 for example.
Why not download a Owners Manual for a '92 and in the back is a wiring diagram you could study. Compare it with your bike and see which wires you need and which wires you can discard on hooking up a 3 pin flasher relay.
Quote from: Pat Conlon on February 05, 2014, 11:24:16 AM
Ken, the later FJ's did not have the self canceling feature. My '92 for example.
Why not download a Owners Manual for a '92 and in the back is a wiring diagram you could study. Compare it with your bike and see which wires you need and which wires you can discard on hooking up a 3 pin flasher relay.
Pat, yes. You've read my mind.
I did just get some very useful information from Randy T, on the self-cancelling unit that Yamaha used on several of their bikes.
Hopefully it will give me some more solid information on how it's wired. I don't need to obtain the self-cannceling feature, but I need to know if there would me any errors in the electrical system, if I discard several of the wires.
Cheers
Ken
Ken, just so you know, I'm still trying to get a hold of my friend with the manual. If I can, I'll try to scan the diagram I previously mentioned. I can't promise that it will answer all your questions, but hopefully it will help. At the least, I believe it should let you know what sub assembly each individual wire goes to. Hopefully, that will give you enough info to determine if putting in a digital flasher relay is feasible.
Quote from: FeralRdr on February 05, 2014, 12:29:09 PM
Ken, just so you know, I'm still trying to get a hold of my friend with the manual. If I can, I'll try to scan the diagram I previously mentioned. I can't promise that it will answer all your questions, but hopefully it will help. At the least, I believe it should let you know what sub assembly each individual wire goes to. Hopefully, that will give you enough info to determine if putting in a digital flasher relay is feasible.
Thanks.
I'm in no rush so I have plenty of time. Need to have some more spare time on my hands first.
:yes:
Cheers
Ken
I'm still trying to figure out how i could expect to wire a new relay. I have identified the turn signal cables from the switch on the handlebar.
Basically it's 4 wires as seen below. In addition to that i guess a relay would need a power feed and a ground wire, that makes it 6 wires.
yellow w/red line: indicator feed
Brown: left indicator
Dark green: right indicator
pink brown'ish w/white line: cancel indicator
Would this mean I would need to consider a 6pin flasher relay instead? Just a thought :-)
No matter which relay i end up with, i see to ways of wiring.
1. Wire up the the relay directly from the switch, and by that i mean detach them from the harness. Letting them go directly and not route through the block connectors etc.
2. Letting them travel the old way in the harness, and detach the wires needed from the oem connector block which goes in the oem relay.
Any thoughts?
Ken
I think i have mange to identify the wires going in to the flasher relay and it looks to me those wires that are "extra" due to the self-cancelling feature could be completely removed from the harness. I have started writing it down so a write-up may be made.
I will get a better idea on how to properly go forward when i get som more info on the flasher relay diagram.
Thanks Greg, for helping out :good2:
Converting to a regular 3 pin shouldn't be that hard. Will need to do some soldering on other wires next weekend before i can start experiment with the relay.
Cheers
Update..
Got my new cbr mirrors with integrated led blinkers in to day..
Well, they do look good but I'm not sure they will work that well. I just tried them on without the fairing and the result disappointed me. The seemed to have a shaft just a long as my other cbr mirrors, but no. They are slightly different.
I tried to fit them to stock mirror plates and that angle seemed odd, but that was without the monkey made mirrorplate or any other thing making a increased angle.
So i sure could use some input and suggestions to other ways around it. Stock mirror isen't an option, so ill guess i finally would have to grind down the oneside of the stock mirrorplate to make the cbr mirrors fit well.
I would revisit my original thought with the barend blinkers... But those are some what expensive, and my plan on anti vibration barend would need to be scraped.
Cheers
Ken
Revived my led flasher relay today and thought i would take a closer look at the old one.
I figured out pretty fast that the bike wouldn't start with out the relay connected. Although there were power to lights etc.
I can't shoe the life of me figure out which circut that was broken to cause this. One would think it was only the blinkers that would go out?
Ken
On the mirrors, I don't know if this will help but the FJ AL. mirror mount casting can be installed 2 different ways. If you look at the 2 mounting holes in the FJ AL. mirror mount casting you might notice that there is a long and a short leg. On mine the shorter leg is facing down. I had the same problem with mine until I figured out the hole distances from the center of the FJ mirror mount casting were slightly different.
George
Thanks George.
I will look at it. Haven't thought of that before :rofl2: