G'Day Guys, sorry if this has been asked before, but remember, I am a noob, so I've got an excuse. I just bought this 2010 XJ6N rear wheel for my 1987 FJ1200, and I'm wondering if anyone else has done this conversion, and if so, are there any tricks or tips I should know? Cheers, Terry.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281082897574?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281082897574?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
Terry,
I have not heard of anyone trying that model of wheel on an FJ.
The most common rear wheel swap is 90'-98' GSXR1100 and 90'-95' GSXR750. A few have used FZR1000 and YZF600R Thundercat rear wheels.
I have a 92' GSXR750 rear wheel on one and a YZF600R rear wheel on the other.
Fred
Thanks mate, what attracted me to it was that it's a Yamaha wheel, 160 width in the popular 17 inch size, and I quite like the design.
I've got a lathe and mill, so can make up any spacers/sleeves/adapters that I need, I think my next problem will be finding a matching front wheel that'll fit the FJ forks, but the biggest issue will probably be finding a good one, considering that the front wheel is usually the first thing that hits in a collision. Cheers, Terry. ;D
Just swap the whole front end over. Easy solution. :)
Thanks Andy, I've looked for a complete front end, but so far, nada. Cheers, Terry. ;D
fjowners.wikidot.com/rear-rim has most of the info that's out there.
Hello Terry, spacers are the easy part.....
What size axle does that wheel use? (I'll bet it is a larger diameter than the FJ axle)
Any thoughts on how you will make it fit the FJ axle...or fitting the XJ6N axle to the FJ swing arm?
How about the offset on the brake rotor....will it match up to your FJ's caliper?
Spacers are easy...
Re: compatible designed front wheel: Same questions apply. I know for sure the 2010 front rim will not have any provisions for your mechanical speedometer drive.
Let us know what you find
Thanks Pat, the wheel has arrived and I'm stoked. It looks brand new! The axle looks to be the same size (20mm?) but the rear disc is smaller (and I don't think the FJ disc will bolt on) and the FZ6 wheel is around 12mm wider across the hub. No huge problems though mate, it won't take much engineering to make it work.
I've seen several front wheels on eBay today, but I'm kicking myself for not buying the shiny new one I saw last weekend for $285. It was a bare wheel with no axle, bearings, discs, etc, but a good start, and the right width. (3.5 inches) Anyway, I'll fit the rear wheel first and worry about the front wheel later.
The other good news is that the 17 inch Dunlop Sportsmax tyre that came with it looks like brand new, I'm wondering if that might have contributed to the donor bikes demise? I'll make sure that I "scrub it in" before I test it's limits.......... Cheers, Terry. ;D
Good deal Terry, take lots of pictures and measurements...blaze a trail for us to follow... :good2:
Thanks Pat, I just found an "as new" FZ6 rear caliper on eBay in the US for $54.99 (and that much again for shipping) so I don't have to worry about adapting the larger FJ disc etc, so I'm getting there. I'll take some pics when I've assembled all the parts to make it work. Cheers, Terry. ;D
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400551496262 (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400551496262)
Well I bit the bullet and bought this front wheel on eBay this morning. I asked the seller what the distance was between the front discs and his reply was identical to that on my FJ (5 inches) so fitting (hopefully) won't be a problem.
I just hope it gets here before the "Christmas rush" for USPS and Aussie Post takes hold, in which case it'll probably arrive just after Easter....... Cheers, Terry. :yes:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151147274420?item=151147274420&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/151147274420?item=151147274420&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr)
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 06, 2013, 12:44:44 AM
Well I bit the bullet and bought this front wheel on eBay this morning. I asked the seller what the distance was between the front discs and his reply was identical to that on my FJ (5 inches) so fitting (hopefully) won't be a problem.
I just hope it gets here before the "Christmas rush" for USPS and Aussie Post takes hold, in which case it'll probably arrive just after Easter....... Cheers, Terry. :yes:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151147274420?item=151147274420&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/151147274420?item=151147274420&viewitem=&sspagename=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123&vxp=mtr)
What forks do you have in your FJ Terry?
Harvy
G'Day Harvy, just the stock 1987 FJ1200 forks mate. Cheers, Terry.
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 06, 2013, 02:07:47 AM
G'Day Harvy, just the stock 1987 FJ1200 forks mate. Cheers, Terry.
So whats the diameter of the axle that goes thru that wheel? I see you have the necessary kit to modify and/or make spacers etc.......so I guess you can make it fit ok. The only other thing that will need addressing is the speedo drive....the R6s did not take it off the front wheel like the FJ does.
Harvy
Terry,
What is the thickness and diameter of those brake disks? IIRC your '87 used the original ventilated 267mm disks.
I'd guess the disks on that wheel are between 300-320mm OD and probably 5mm thick. If that's the case, how're you gonnna fit your calipers over them?
Arnie
Quote from: Arnie on November 06, 2013, 08:07:43 AM
Terry,
IIRC your '87 used the original ventilated 267mm disks.
Hi Arnie,
What is "IIRC"?
Jeff
This should clear things up.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/IIRC (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/IIRC)
Thanks....now into the infinite pile of acronyms...this is an engineering company (work), after all.
G'Day Guys, thanks for your interest, good to see that members here have enquiring minds, like mine. To answe your questions, I've no idea what size the FZ6 discs are, or the axle size.
I can make adapter plates to move the calipers to suit the larger discs, and I haven't decided whether I'll use the OEM calipers or upgrade them with some more modern 4 piston calipers, I think I've got some GSXR1100 calipers here somewhere, and some nice old Brembo 2 piston calipers too, or I might even buy some FZ6 calipers. I'll wait until the wheel arrives before I get too excited.
Axle and speedo drive issues shouldn't be a major concern either, the axle may be the same size, but if not I'll source some bearings with the FJ axle size and the FZ6 outer bearing size if they're available,or if not, I'll make some more adapters.
I haven't pulled the FJ wheel apart yet but I'm very familiar with this type of speedo drive, as I've been farting around with single cam CB750's for the last 35 years or so, and usually the speedo drive "gearbox" has a simple adapter with tabs that sit in a slot machined into the hub. Not really precision engineering, which suits me fine, as I'm not that precise, ha ha!
You've all seen pics of FJ's, so just for a change, here's a pic of my old CB750, fitted with Yamaha FZR1000 forks and brakes, adapted to a modified CB750 hub laced to a wider Akront rim, with custom aluminium triple trees etc. Cheers, Terry. :yes:
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Whoo there! is that Spleen Green or Rolled Gold...Better get me sunglasses for a closer look...ummmm, flips might have some real competition next March! :drinks:
OK Terry, looking at your work on the Honda, seems there is no need to worry about whether something fits - you WILL MAKE IT FIT!
Roll on March so we here in Aus can see what you create. :good2:
Cheers
Harvy
We'll done Terry, the old Honda looks great, especially the colour. The front end doesn't look out of place at all, if fact looks better than standard. I don't think you'll have any trouble at all retro fitting any parts to the FJ.
Tony.
The Honda looks beautiful. Keep us posted as you go with the FJ. Your conversion will work out just fine. I keep up a little with the cafe racers sites and it amazes me what one can do adapting parts. I don't own a cafe racer but enjoy the custom design and engineering aspects. Keep up the good work :good2:.
George
Thanks Guys, sadly I sold that bike around a year ago, and the last time I saw it, the person who bought it was telling everyone on a Cafe Racer site that he was going to turn it into a Cafe Racer. I told him that I'd buy back all the parts that he discarded, but never heard back from him. I don't know if I'd like to see what it looks like now.........
Anyway, thanks again, and I'll post pics as the FJ wheel conversion comes together. I received a box full of shiny parts from Randy yesterday, so it'll be nice to add a little bling to the poor old thing. Cheers, Terry. ;D
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 07, 2013, 02:37:39 PM
Thanks Guys, sadly I sold that bike around a year ago, and the last time I saw it, the person who bought it was telling everyone on a Cafe Racer site that he was going to turn it into a Cafe Racer.
What a waste
that cb looks like it would stop a bit better than my cb, and my fj,, its a nice looking bike. ken
Boy, I agree with Jeff. What a waste to convert that Honda to a cafe racer !! The guy that bought it must have a lot more money than brains. Depressing to think about.
George
Thanks Guys, I don't have anything against a well executed Cafe Racer, I just couldn't understand why the new owner thought he needed to change the look of my gold bike, but to be fair, I took his money so I've no right to complain, and I can always build another one just like it.
I built this Cafe Racer which gets a lot of attention and is great fun and very quick, but only for short rides, it's too bloody uncomfortable for a fat old man. Cheers, Terry. :sarcastic:
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Terry,
Yours looks great. Just that taking a really nice SOHC 750 (my dream bike when I was a kid) with a cool front end just seems like sacrilege. She was a beaut.
Jeff
Well just to keep this thread boiling along, I thought I'd post a pic of both wheels. The front wheel arrived last week, I'm really stoked at how good both wheels are, another reason why I didn't want to just buy 20+ year old wheels that I'd likely have to refurbish before I could install them.
I don't know if I'd like to own an FZ6R, there appear to be lots of wheels available from these late model bikes. (my wheels came from two different bikes, one from Tasmania and one from Michigan, from memory, and both bikes had done lass than 2000 miles when they were totalled) Good thing is that the tyres are like new, as are the brake discs, and the rear caliper (that came off another totalled FZ6R.......) even has "as new" pads in it. Crazy........ :unknown:
Sadly the front wheel bearing ID is 20mm, so I'll have to pop the old bearings out, but luckily I had a set of new "All Balls" wheel bearings for a Honda CX500 (15mm axle, same as my FJ) and they appear to be the same OD as the FZ6R bearings, so they should go straight it. Another piece of the puzzle looks to have dropped into place.
I bought a bearing puller set on good ol' eBay on Friday, so hopefully it'll arrive this week and I'll be able to pull the bearings and swap 'em over. Cheers, Terry. :yes:
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OK, a little more work has happened since my last post. Last Friday week I dropped into All Tools and bought an ex-hire bearing puller kit for the bargain price of $100.00. Sadly, none of the pullers therein came close to removing the front wheel bearings.
No worries, I bought a better looking blind bearing puller kit on ebay for $37.00, with postage. The kit arrived on Wednesday, I attempted to pull the bearing, and one of the claws snapped off. The seller was great, he accepted that it was faulty, and he's sending me a new one on Monday.
Today I saw another kit on eBay for $89.00 which is specifically for removing motorcycle wheel bearings. Bugger it, I did the "Buy it now" thing, and it should arrive by mid next week.
Tonight, after not doing much all day I did a google search for "motorcycle wheel bearing remover" where I found a simple device that you can make in your own garage in 10 minutes, that'll pop those pesky wheel bearings out lickety split. I made said device and thumped the wheel bearings right out. Fantastic!
Anyone wanna buy 3 different wheel bearing removal kits? Cheap?
Here's a pic of my engineering "Hall of Shame" of bearing pullers, the Alltools kit, the ebay kit, and (the latest ebay kit will go straight onto a shelf once it arrives) the puller I made after reading the article I found with google. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Hahah! That`s classic, but educational. Thanks for sharing - but no I don`t need a puller. :drinks:
Yeah mate, I feel like a bit of a dope for not first googling before I got the visa card out, but I love that I now know how to make a puller that will work easily without doing any damage, so I'll be using the same principle for removing swingarm bushes, steering head bearings, etc etc.
In the last week I've also mastered welding aluminium (long story) and now the easy way of removing wheel bearings, so my poor old moth eaten brain is copping a hiding! Cheers, Terry. ;D
The other "easy" way to remove wheel bearings would have been to ask here.
Quite a number of regulars on this forum would have happily saved you some $$ that you could re-direct into purchase of more important things like petrol and beer. :-)
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
The other "easy" way to remove wheel bearings would have been to ask here.
Quite a number of regulars on this forum would have happily saved you some $$ that you could re-direct into purchase of more important things like petrol and beer. :-)
Arnie, don't think you have your priorities in the correct order; Beer then petrol! :drinks:
Quote from: oldktmdude on November 23, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
The other "easy" way to remove wheel bearings would have been to ask here.
Quite a number of regulars on this forum would have happily saved you some $$ that you could re-direct into purchase of more important things like petrol and beer. :-)
Arnie, don't think you have your priorities in the correct order; Beer then petrol! :drinks:
Nope! I think its much better to drink after riding than before. :-) Cheers
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: oldktmdude on November 23, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
The other "easy" way to remove wheel bearings would have been to ask here.
Quite a number of regulars on this forum would have happily saved you some $$ that you could re-direct into purchase of more important things like petrol and beer. :-)
Arnie, don't think you have your priorities in the correct order; Beer then petrol! :drinks:
Nope! I think its much better to drink after riding than before. :-) Cheers
Cupholders my friend, cupholders .......... :drinks: :rofl:
Quote from: movenon on November 23, 2013, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: oldktmdude on November 23, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
The other "easy" way to remove wheel bearings would have been to ask here.
Quite a number of regulars on this forum would have happily saved you some $$ that you could re-direct into purchase of more important things like petrol and beer. :-)
Arnie, don't think you have your priorities in the correct order; Beer then petrol! :drinks:
Nope! I think its much better to drink after riding than before. :-) Cheers
Cupholders my friend, cupholders .......... :drinks: :rofl:
Love the way you think! :i_am_so_happy:
Quote from: Arnie on November 23, 2013, 07:50:18 PM
The other "easy" way to remove wheel bearings would have been to ask here.
Quite a number of regulars on this forum would have happily saved you some $$ that you could re-direct into purchase of more important things like petrol and beer. :-)
Thanks for rubbing it in Arnie, but no worries, plenty of money left for life's little necessities, so no harm done......... :sarcastic:
Petrol helps you get more beer quicker! :drinks:
Well I learned something new today and I'm almost too frightened to mention it here 'lest one of the erstwhile members here tells me that I should have asked here first. Well, for the sake of taking one for the greater good of noobs everywhere, I'll still share my experience, in the hope that someone will pay attention and learn from my experience.
The OD of the FZ6R wheel bearing is 40mm, whereas the CX500 wheel bearings (with 15mm axle hole) is 42mm OD.
Oh well, off to the bearing shop I went. Sadly, when I got there, the bearing shop man told me that there is no such thing as a bearing with a 40mm OD and a 15mm ID. The only bearing with a 40mm OD, has a 17mm ID. Just like the one I removed from my wheel. Poop.
OK, now lesser men than me would have just burst into tears and given up, but (if I must say so myself) I am made of much sterner stuff. I bought a 12 inch length of 1 inch bronze bushing material ($60.50, ouch!) with the intent of making a really cool bush/spacer/bush assembly, i.e., one continuous length of material machined at either end to be a tight fit inside the 17mm bearing ID, then stepped up between the bearings to the exact length of the OE spacer (albeit bored to 15mm) then stepped down again at the other end to 17mm. I went back to work to while away the afternoon planning my evening's mechanical assault.
After a while though, I came to the conclusion that I wasn't 100% happy with the prospect of only having 1mm of fairly soft material between the bearing and the axle. not necessarily a major problem, but not great on a bike that's very heavy, and very fast. I went back to the google machine and studied other bearings available for a 15mm axle. As it turned out, the only one available has a 35mm OD. Hmmnn, so I still need to make a bush, but I'd rather have one 2.5mm thick rather than 1mm thick, so back to the bearing shop I go.
The young bloke who'd served me was great, and actually showed an insterest in what I was doing. He re-credited the $60.50 for the (now surplus to requirements) bronze bar, and fetched the bearings while I browsed the stocks of bushing material. We found some 2 inch dia bronze material, pre-bored to 3/4 inch (or thereabouts) but at $125.60 per 12 inch length, I decided that an alternate material like 6061 T6 aluminium would do fine. The new bearings were only $10.00 per side though, so that was great.
I did read elsewhere in this worthy tome that another member had a similar quandry which he managed to fix quite cheaply by using some sort of drill guide as a bushing betwixt the bearing and axle, so I might go back and read that before I go much further. Regardless, I'm far from beaten, and I will continue on until my FJ is sporting some flash new wheels with better brakes and stickier tyres. Cheers, Terry. :bye2:
Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 25, 2013, 12:37:23 AM
Well I learned something new today and I'm almost too frightened to mention it here...
... the man told me that there is no such thing with a 40mm OD and a 15mm ID like the one I removed!
OK, now lesser men than me would have just burst into tears and given up, but (if I must say so myself) I am made of much sterner stuff. I bought a 12 inch length of 1 inch bronze bushing material ($60.50, ouch!) with the intent of making a really cool one to be a tight fit, then stepped up to while away the afternoon planning my evening's mechanical assault.
After a while though, I came to the conclusion that I wasn't 100% happy with only having fairly soft material between the very heavy, and very fast, google machine.... As it turned out, the only one available has a 35mm OD.The young bloke who'd served me was great, and actually showed an insterest in what I was doing. He re-credited the now surplus to requirements bronze bar, and fetched the 2 inch dia bronze material at $125.60 per 12 inch length ... only $10.00 per side though, so that was great.
I did read elsewhere in this worthy tome that another member had a similar quandry which he managed to fix quite cheaply by using some sort of guide ...so I might go back and read that before I go much further. Regardless, I'm far from beaten, and I will continue on. Cheers, Terry. :bye2:
Here ya go...
http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=8155.msg76174#msg76174 (http://www.fjowners.com/index.php?topic=8155.msg76174#msg76174)
ummmm...I`m one of the lesser men that would have just burst into tears and given up! Combine that $60.50 thing with my heavy metal cane (for him ta bend over) and Candy might have to be deported!... He`ll want ta stay forever!
Great to see you taking some risk...Can`t wait ta see`m flash!. Look forward to meeting you on Wednesday. (I luv this stuff!...) please Continue. :drinks:
Well I didn't get a call from Doug on Wednesday, did he make it down to Melbourne? I hope he's OK?
Anyway, the show must go on. After discovering that there's no such thing as a bearing with a 15mm inner and a 40mm outer, I settled for a bearing with a 15mm inner and a 35mm outer. (on the left) I thought about a few different options, but eventually a trip to another bearing shop in the country provided the answers I needed. I bought a bronze bush with a 40mm outer and a 30mm inner.
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I could have bought one with a 40mm outer and a 35mm inner (in fact, I did) but I realised that I needed a flange for the bearing to sit against, or otherwise the bearing would just pull into the hub and the wheel could move laterally, which would be rather disturbing at speed. Boring the bush to around 34.8mm was a little too exact for my liking, but after only muffing one, I was able to make two nice bushes that I need to freeze the bearings, then tap them in to fit.
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The new bearings were 1mm narrower than the OEM bearings, so I was able to have a 1mm thick flange without any problems reusing the dust seals. The only problem was that the tubular spacer that goes between the bearings was now 2mm too short. After several minutes of quiet reflection, I machined two stainless steel washers to fit neatly between the flange and the bearing on either side, and was able to use the spacer.
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I used a piece of 320 grit dry sandpaper to remove any machining lips etc, and tapped the bearings into place. It was a very tight fit, but in this case, too tight is much better than not tight. It's all together now, I've put a 15mm axle in it and spun the wheel and everything feels right. Tomorrow I'll drop out the OEM front wheel and see what needs to be done to adapt the speedo drive, and I'll also have to look at brake calipers. Overall, it's slow going, but I'm happy that I've solved one major problem on my journey to 17inch happiness. ;D
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Quote from: Terry in Australia on November 30, 2013, 12:59:28 AM
Well I didn't get a call from Doug on Wednesday, did he make it down to Melbourne? I hope he's OK?
Terry, I caught up with Doug yesterday evening at Batemans Bay. He was delayed at Cooma with rear brake problems. He is heading up to Sydney today after catching up with Flips at Nowra. He seems to be really enjoying his little adventure. Pete.
Thanks for that Pete, as it was I wouldn't have been able to show as my dad went into hospital and I had to stay at East Sale to cover for a guy who had a heart attack. (busy week.........) Anyway, I'm glad he's ok and enjoying his "Elephant Ride". Cheers, Terry. ;D