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Title: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: FJmonkey on October 19, 2013, 06:04:45 PM
Last weekend I mounted and balanced a new front tire in the garage. I think I went about 1000 to 2000 more miles on it than I should have. My last ride the weekend before really beat me up in the corners. I was having to counter steer to keep her in the corners. I noticed this coming back from the last WCR, I thought my luggage made some changes to the soft rear shock and altered the geometry slightly. Not so, they were badly Veed off on the sides.

(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2890/10369477746_77cdf73375_o.jpg)

Not sure if the detail will show the flat spots.

The new tire.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5546/10369478996_facd8bb052_o.jpg)

Nice and round profile, seeing the tread depth (or lack of) is another clue how worn the front was. 8200 miles, I should have changed it when I put the second rear on. Too lazy, not any more, the difference was awesome. It feels like she just floats into the corners with nothing more than looking into the corner. The man (Monkey) and machine are now synchronized in pure cornering bliss once again. (http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/smile/devilish-grin-smiley-emoticon.gif)

Up at Newcomb's ranch had a nice tidbit of Yamaha Porn. An R71

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5540/10369461545_eea37ce514_o.jpg)

Check out the air intakes...
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3766/10369767026_bb2b5dbed2_o.jpg)

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3680/10369456624_2dd059938b_o.jpg)

The orange does not come through in the photo properly, it is fluorescent orange, a real eye catcher.

A good but short ride for the day, all scrubbed in and ready for the next ride in sunny SoCal....
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Mark,

I am looking at the picture of your tire and I believe you are not running enough air pressure. With the RPM fork valve set up you have in your forks, you need to be running at or very near the tire manufactures recommended pressures. (no more than 2lbs less than recommended)

Mike Ramos stopped into today as he had the dreaded blind nut that holds the shifter bolt break out of the frame happen to him on the trip from Redding to Walnut Creek last night. The bike was stuck in forth gear the whole way and he still managed to get almost 40mpg. Heck we even pulled the clutch cover to check the clutch due to the 4th gear starts and it looked great still too.

Anyhow, I was working on Pat's bike when he got there and since he needed to get that fixed to be able to ride home, I asked Mike, since he is good with a gigantic screwdriver, make some carb & valve adjustments to Pat's bike while I fixed his; he gladly accepted the job of working on the shiniest bike in the RPM shop.
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/racerrad8/018_zps505aebd4.jpg) (http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/racerrad8/media/018_zps505aebd4.jpg.html)

But since I saw your post about your front tire, I snapped some pictures of Mike's Michelin Pilot Power 3 tires that he installed prior to leaving for the ECFR. The tires currently have over 7000 miles on them which is pretty well split between highway and twisty miles as he took the Capt' Ron style route to the rally and slabbed it home. Both tires are pressured to the manufactures recommended pressure rating on the side of the tire and Mike thinks there is at least another 4-5k left on them.

Front:
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/racerrad8/014_zpsc787e1ce.jpg) (http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/racerrad8/media/014_zpsc787e1ce.jpg.html)

Rear:
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/racerrad8/019_zps0626dce9.jpg) (http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/racerrad8/media/019_zps0626dce9.jpg.html)

As you can see there is no "V"ing or cupping to speak of on either the front or rear.

The other thing about all of this is the rear shock and fork oil now have 22000k on them. The shock is coming off at 25k for the first rebuild since the valving was settled upon and we are going to dump the fork oil and see how it looks. No fork seal leaks in 22k either.

Mark, and all others who have installed the RPM fork components or RPM rear shock, air up those tires; eliminate the tread deflection and get the maximum contact patch on the road surface for the best traction and the most miles from a set of tires for slabbing and better fuel economy due to lower rolling resistance.

Randy - RPM
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 19, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
Uuuuuh, Randy......so tell me....what exactly is Mike doing with that giant screw driver....?

Adjusting my USD's?
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 09:14:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 19, 2013, 08:32:58 PM
Uuuuuh, Randy......so tell me....what exactly is Mike doing with that giant screw driver....?

Adjusting my USD's?


No no, he is dialing in the carbs.

But he did say something about "those forks..."

Randy - RPM
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: FJmonkey on October 19, 2013, 09:38:24 PM
I have been running 34psi in the front on my Conti Motions 17" radials... Is that too low? I seem to get the same result from the Avons I ran at the same pressure. I think my problem is I don't ride enough slab to balance out the other angles of riding. The Crest is really my back yard, corners are my normal FJ meals...
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 19, 2013, 10:04:55 PM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
........Both tires are pressured to the manufactures recommended pressure rating on the side of the tire....


I also have PR-3's and they are great tires....I'm away from home now so I can't go out and check, what is the maximum pressure rating on the sidewalls of those Michelin's ?
46 psi? Something like that?
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: FJmonkey on October 19, 2013, 10:10:35 PM
46 :shok: Maybe 38????
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: ribbert on October 19, 2013, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
Both tires are pressured to the manufactures recommended pressure rating on the side of the tire and Mike thinks there is at least another 4-5k left on them.

What tyre pressure does he run? Michelin recommend the bike manufacturers pressures.
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Firehawk068 on October 19, 2013, 10:44:07 PM
My front tire wore the same way as Mark's...................................Except I went a little further than he did  :shok:

(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab154/firehawk068/Maintainence/Michelin%20Pilot%20Road%202%20front%20tire/P8250069_zps8266512c.jpg) (http://s859.photobucket.com/user/firehawk068/media/Maintainence/Michelin%20Pilot%20Road%202%20front%20tire/P8250069_zps8266512c.jpg.html)

I always run my tire pressure around 40psi (front and rear)

I knew the tread was getting low, and toward the end of the ride it started feeling like I was riding on a thin layer of sand in the corners................I took it really easy the rest of the way home.
I tried looking up how many miles I had on it, but I couldn't find it.................I know it was on there for around 3 years though.........
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: FJmonkey on October 19, 2013, 10:51:32 PM
Quote from: Firehawk068 on October 19, 2013, 10:44:07 PM
My front tire wore the same way as Mark's...................................Except I went a little further than he did  :shok:

(http://i859.photobucket.com/albums/ab154/firehawk068/Maintainence/Michelin%20Pilot%20Road%202%20front%20tire/P8250069_zps8266512c.jpg) (http://s859.photobucket.com/user/firehawk068/media/Maintainence/Michelin%20Pilot%20Road%202%20front%20tire/P8250069_zps8266512c.jpg.html)

I always run my tire pressure around 40psi (front and rear)

I knew the tread was getting low, and toward the end of the ride it started feeling like I was riding on a thin layer of sand in the corners................I took it really easy the rest of the way home.
I tried looking up how many miles I had on it, but I couldn't find it.................I know it was on there for around 3 years though.........


Holy crap!!!! You get my nomination for steel braided scrotum award....
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 10:56:34 PM
The Michelin tires on Mike's bike are rated to be 42psi and that is what I told him to run and is running. I can only make tire pressure recommendations based on the RPM fork valves and lighter springs and no other combinations.

Mark, put the air pressure to the max pressure listed on the side wall and you will get better tire wear, performance and mileage.

Randy - RPM
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 19, 2013, 11:04:27 PM


Try as you may, you can not convince me that the contact patch is larger on a front tire @ 42psi.
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 11:48:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 19, 2013, 11:04:27 PM


Try as you may, you can not convince me that the contact patch is larger on a front tire @ 42psi.

It is not larger, but there is no internal tread roll due to under inflation. With those stiff spring being used by all other other fork valve manufactures and USD forks with stiff springs you are using the low tire pressure as a spring to soften the ride.

I do have a lot experience with tires & suspensions regarding tire contact patch to to asphalt, and that was part if the design process of my fork valves.

Tread roll; the air pressure within the tire cannot maintain the full contact patch due to the leading edge of the contact patch gripping the asphalt. Thus the center of the contact patch distorts due to low pressure and pulls away from the surface due to low air pressure not be able to maintain the shape of the contact patch.

You can see it in Mark's tire, the center is pushed up and the majority of the tire is deflected causing the tire to wear the way it did.

I never said it make the contact patch bigger, it just uses.more of it.

Randy. RPM
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: racerrad8 on October 20, 2013, 01:21:05 AM
(http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/forum/uploads/monthly_11_2007/post-2-1196429733.jpg)

Here is a rudimentary picture to illustrate what happened to Mark's tire.

The tire manufacture(s) design the tire based on the pressure listed on the side of the tire. They have to have a standard measurement of air pressure when designing the tire to see what the tire will do under load. For someone to believe, especially today with today's tire technology compared to 1981-1993, how could you ever justify using the motorcycles "manufactures" suggested settings. Today's tire were not around when the bike was made, so why would you use the Yamaha's recommend setting, did they design or test the bike with the tires you use today?

Mark's tire is definitely under-inflated as the sides have worn more than the center, the same contact patch of the picture above regarding under-inflation.

And also...

By looking at the pictures posted of Mike's tires with 7000 miles on them, you cannot see that same wear characteristics, so the tire pressure has a direct effect on the wear & performance of the tire.

Randy -RPM
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Mike Ramos on October 20, 2013, 01:33:06 AM
Good evening everyone,

First of all, it appears that the gentleman from RPM has posted the wrong picture of some ignorant idiot with upside down glasses working on Mr. Conlon's motorcycle.  That is not yours truly; all who know me (from the Rally's) will verify that I am not much over 4' tall [Windancer where are you?].  The actual picture that was taken at the palatial R.P.M. shop this very day has me standing on a milk crate along side my own bike.  

However, I do admit to utilizing the improper size screwdriver while attempting to tighten the carbs into those rubber boots that attach to the engine while Randy was working on the shift lever bolt on my bike.  Only two of the four boots were torn & nearly destroyed; however after consulting with Skysomebody I sealed up the tears with silicone sealant.  I was assured that the new improved silicone sealants will be impervious to heat.  I just hope Randy doesn't notice 'cause he is so meticulous.  I sure hope the owner doesn't discover it...

It is true that the shift lever bolt "malfunctioned" just as has been described on this Forum - and I attempted to repair it while on the road.  I did not have any tin foil on hand nor any super glue so invoking The Reverend's name I prayed...  but that did not help either...   Anyway, since my folks will not allow me to have a cell phone until I am twenty one,  I limped into the RPM shop and without prior notice and fortunately Randy was there.  

Boy, was he surprised to see me...  mumbled something about not wanting to be disturbed...   anyway, taking time away from the engine installation he installed the new shift lever bolt and soon ushered me out the door...

Have fun,

Midget  
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Mike Ramos on October 20, 2013, 02:51:01 AM
Hello everyone,

Okay, at the risk of the tire air pressure discussion turning into another Oil Thread debate, allow me to state my observation(s).  I have had the Fork Valves from RPM for many a mile - towards the end of last year I installed the rear shock as well, currently with just over twenty two thousand miles on it - they are an excellent combination.

As always it took convincing, however after increasing the tire pressure as suggested by RPM tire wear was increased by a noticeable margin.  What I actually run is 42 psi rear and 40 psi front. 

For over the road journey's the suspension is hard to beat; likewise with back country riding. 

I live in the mountains so (for those who are anathema to straight roads) it is excellent riding both coming and going.  For over the road aficionados once I descend into the valley or climb into the high mountains and deserts, the ride remains exceptionally comfortable.

To illustrate: the ride to the ECFR: last month I left California on a most pleasant Sunday evening and initially taking secondary roads & highways, headed east on Highway 44 and picked up the old Highway 50, eventually heading north and into the great Yellowstone Park the next afternoon.

Then there was an enjoyable spirited ride from the Yellowstone east into Cody and south into Casper.  From Casper into Omaha and then on mainly Interstates south to Kansas City and east to St. Louis, and finally from there into Tellico Plains.

While in Tellico, there was the opportunity to ride the "Tail of the Dragon" and visit Deal's Gap.  Later that day the Cheolola Skyway was traveled as well.  After I left the ECFR I traveled the Interstate back to California.

The tires utilized on the ride to the ECFR and still on the motorcycle are the Pilot Power 3's.  These should not be confused with the Pilot ROAD 3's which are an excellent rain tire and which are installed during the winter (rainy) season.

The Pilot Power 3's are a soft compound tire and normally would have been worn and ready for replacement; however in this instance there remains a lot of life in them. The ECFR journey was 6,200 miles round trip and I have another 800 miles since then.  Many different types of road conditions were encountered, all of which were taken in stride. 

No doubt there will be debate over whether it is the suspension or the tire pressures or both that lead to increased tire life.  Above is my experience and it is unlikely I will comment further.

In closing: tire life as it applies to my situation is demonstrably increased. Normally I go through three sets of tires per year; so perhaps there is merit to my comments.

Ride safe,

Mike Ramos.

Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: ribbert on October 20, 2013, 08:52:26 AM
Quote from: Mike Ramos on October 20, 2013, 02:51:01 AM
Okay, at the risk of the tire air pressure discussion turning into another Oil Thread debate

You're right, I've been biting my lip all day.
Hopefully after a good nights rest the urge to post will have passed.
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: ribbert on October 20, 2013, 09:15:46 AM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 20, 2013, 01:21:05 AM
.... how could you ever justify using the motorcycles "manufactures" suggested settings. Today's tire were not around when the bike was made, so why would you use the Yamaha's recommend setting, did they design or test the bike with the tires you use today?

Randy -RPM

I have no idea. Ask Michelin. It's a direct quote from their current tyre blurb.
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: baldy3853 on October 20, 2013, 10:39:29 AM
Mark
Your a fat bastard you need to be running at least 38 in the front and 44/45 in the rear!!! I run 40Front and 45 rear just do it!!!
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 20, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
45psi on a tire with 42psi sidewall markings, yea sure, why the hell not?  :dash1:
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: baldy3853 on October 20, 2013, 11:26:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on October 20, 2013, 11:22:36 AM
45psi on a tire with 42psi sidewall markings, yea sure, why the hell not?  :dash1:
Same as servicing carbies in of the middle of the desert yeah hell, why not!!

Have run my tyres with that pressure in them for the last 13yrs with absolutely NO trouble!!!!
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Flynt on October 20, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
air up those tires

Randy - RPM

+1 from the Dunlop NorCal rep I met the other day...  she (very cute young lady btw) told me to run my Q2/Q3s and Roadsmarts  at sidewall pressure to get best wear and traction.  I've been in the 34f/36r camp for several sets and they wear very evenly, but quickly (rear gives me ~3K miles each for 3 tires straight).  The front appears about 75% gone at the same point.

I'm putting on another set within the next couple of weeks and will go with the higher pressure for comparison.

Frank
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Mike Ramos on October 20, 2013, 11:53:59 AM

Quote from: Flynt on October 20, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 19, 2013, 07:58:01 PM
air up those tires

Randy - RPM

+1 from the Dunlop NorCal rep I met the other day...  she (very cute young lady btw) told me to run my Q2/Q3s and Roadsmarts  at sidewall pressure to get best wear and traction.  I've been in the 34f/36r camp for several sets and they wear very evenly, but quickly (rear gives me ~3K miles each for 3 tires straight).  The front appears about 75% gone at the same point.

I'm putting on another set within the next couple of weeks and will go with the higher pressure for comparison.

Frank

Yep.... AND TRACTION....

Boy, I am sure glad it was not the Wizard I worked on yesterday...

Midget Mike.
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: Pat Conlon on October 20, 2013, 12:04:45 PM
You're making me nervous Mike......
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: racerrad8 on October 20, 2013, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: ribbert on October 20, 2013, 09:15:46 AM
I have no idea. Ask Michelin. It's a direct quote from their current tyre blurb.
I do not have or need to ask Michelin, or another tire manufacture for that matter, as I am the manufacture of the RPM fork valves and rear shock. Thus as the manufacture of those suspension components specifically designed for the FJ1100/1200, I recommend running the maximum tire pressure rated on the sidewall of the tire of your choice. That way you get all of the benefits of the tire and not compromise the performance, tread life or fuel mileage.

There is no question, I am making a direct quote and not a blurb.

It now appears Frank has spoken to a Dunlop tire rep and they have the same recommendation; another direct comment.
Quote from: Flynt on October 20, 2013, 11:28:44 AM
+1 from the Dunlop NorCal rep I met the other day...  she (very cute young lady btw) told me to run my Q2/Q3s and Roadsmarts  at sidewall pressure to get best wear and traction.

Frank
Quote from: ribbert on October 20, 2013, 08:52:26 AM
You're right, I've been biting my lip all day.
Hopefully after a good nights rest the urge to post will have passed.
Noel, I am not sure why you have to bite your lip all day and why it is you have to disagree with many of my technical postings. You are a customer of mine and a man who is confident in his ability as a trained mechanic and willingness to share your observations and experiences. I replied to this thread based on the picture Mark posted and what I see in my  experience as the manufacture of the components used.

I have hundreds of thousands of miles racing cars and the goal of a race car is to go around the track as fast as possible. That means horsepower for the straight line and cornering grip for the corners. That all happens due to the tire contact patch, the only thing connecting the machine to the surface it is riding on.

It has long been known that tires react to changes in the slightest air pressure change drastically. I have learned over the 30+ years of building, racing, setting up and driving race cars how tires work. I attended a chassis school several years ago and BF Goodrich was there and they put on a day and half of tire education and how tires are affect by air pressures.

I then have taken this skill, experience and knowledge to apply to the FJ1100/1200 suspension and brought the bike out of the 80's & 90's to be comparable to many current bikes of today. This has been done working with people who are smarter than I am when it comes to shock & fork valving design, but between them and I the results have been beyond my greatest expectations and those who have purchased these components are telling me the same thing.

Now, I offer Mark the advice as he, just like you is a customer of mine. I know what Mark has in the front forks of his bike and I can tell him with 100% confidence, experience and knowledge that the tire is not inflated enough. If you had the same components and posted the same wear characteristics, I would have told you the same thing.

But instead, just like the double clutch spring, engine oil level, the reserve function of the 86-88 petcock, etc. you choose to argue, contradict and give your observations while the majority of the time you take the position you are right no matter. Based on your comments, from your view point you are correct.

But how can you comment about something, such as this thread due to the fact you do not own, use or have used the RPM suspension components due to the fact you have no experience, knowledge or technical information about what Mark is using.

If you have something that you can bring to this thread of a technical manner that you can provide based on education, knowledge or experience with the specific components used in Mark's bike please, pass that information along. Just like I said was back in the reserve thread, bring the technical proof, not...
Quote from: ribbert on October 19, 2013, 10:12:15 PM
...Michelin recommend the bike manufacturers pressures.
Because Mark's bike has been modified and what was recommended acceptable for the stock FJ is no longer applicable.

So here is Mark's tire with the improper air pressure:
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2890/10369477746_77cdf73375_o.jpg)

Here is Mike's tires front & rear running the proper pressures:
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/racerrad8/014_zpsc787e1ce.jpg) (http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/racerrad8/media/014_zpsc787e1ce.jpg.html)
(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc517/racerrad8/019_zps0626dce9.jpg) (http://s1215.photobucket.com/user/racerrad8/media/019_zps0626dce9.jpg.html)

Now, if Mark would have been running a different fork valve, or fork design I would have never commented about the wear, but since he is using RPM components and I know how they are designed to work, I passed along the manufactures recommendation; after all I am the manufacture.

I know I never commented on Alan's worn out tire when he posted his picture because I seem to recall he has another fork valve brand in his forks and I have no experience (other than removing them) and only minimal knowledge of the product, so anything I would recommend about what he should do in the case with be pure speculation and not knowledge or experience and that is not what I am here for.

I provide guidance & recommendations based on my experience, knowledge, training and skill on everything I comment about. I know there had never been a post on this or any other forum from me about ABS brakes as I have zero experience with them. I posted to you and everyone else in the reserve argument, that I cannot answer if the reserve has a dual function because I do not have the skill or knowledge to know how to dissect the CDI and know if it works the ignition cycle. But your are convinced based on your observations, but you still have not provided the technical information to support it nor do you fell you ever need to.

Am I ever wrong, sure I am wrong all the time, just like everyone else. But, right now, based on my knowledge, experience and skill there are 5 FJ's in my shop to be worked on, not counting my personal bikes. The racing season has ended as well and the engines are starting to come in the door too.

If you want to debate/disagree/argue with me then all I ask is that you bring the technical & visual support with your comments. If I am wrong on something and there is written and visual proof then, I have learned more that I can put into my knowledge base.

You do not have any issue posting pictures of how you align your wheels, knock your fuel bowls, weld your frame, pinch off your fuel line, and on & on & on

But on the technical stuff...
Quote from: ribbert on September 27, 2013, 06:51:24 AM
...I didn't make any claims, I simply posted my observations. There is nothing for me to prove.

You want proof? you'll have to look elsewhere. It's a bit sad If you are only prepared to believe what I say if it is corroborated by video. After all, we are only talking about a test light going on and off.
I've never seen a demand for information you have posted to be verified in such a manner.

Noel
Without some sort of proof, which I have now said several times, I am unable to provide on certain topics it really is just your word against mine or anyone else for that matter. Then that is what destroys forums, the arguing back & forth over who is right or wrong.

I will continue to offer recommendations based on my experience, knowledge and skill and if anyone needs me to post anything for proof, I will gladly do that as it supports my position. This forum has provided my the opportunity to help a lot of people around the world both with the written word and by offering the components that keep the FJ on the road as well as make it a better performing bike. That does not mean I am right on everything; no, but I have established through many forums of credibility of my word being solid advice & recommendations. I do read all other input from others and look at the problem from their point of view to see if there is something I am missing and possibly can learn from for the future.

It has even been brought up by you a couple of times.
Quote from: ribbert on September 28, 2013, 07:55:53 PM
So that's it?  Randy declares the topic closed with an open verdict and everyone just drops it?
Quote from: ribbert on July 31, 2013, 06:22:39 AM
What amuses me is, a week of campaigning from me with you fighting me right up to the last, then one call with Randy and suddenly that's exactly what's happening.

Man, I've REALLY got to work on my credibility, or start using deodorant, or.........

Noel
Maybe it is your deodorant...



Randy - RPM (http://www.rpmracingca.com)
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: CanDman on October 20, 2013, 03:19:19 PM
   gary glitter - im right your wrong i win (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEtElvU_Ag0#)



(popcorn)

PS......ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS ON WHAT SYNTHETIC OIL WOULD WORK FOR CAND?   :bomb:

:mocking:
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: ribbert on October 20, 2013, 09:23:03 PM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 20, 2013, 02:37:10 PM

Noel, I am not sure why you have to bite your lip all day

Can't win!

Randy, is was a light hearted acknowledgement to what Mike said, about its potential to become another "oil" thread, and my intention not to participate or encourage it.
You are reading things into it that simply weren't there.

BTW, it's never about who's right or wrong but what, and, it's never personal.

It's a shame that having different views is seen as argumentative. Much of what I know is from being corrected or having long held views challenged. Everything I learned first time round wasn't necessarily right and technology is an ongoing process.

Yes, arguing for the sake of it is a destructive force on the forum but the sharing of information, new ideas, debate and having a laugh (sometimes at yourself) are it's lifeblood.

Noel
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: FJmonkey on October 20, 2013, 09:59:59 PM
I have been away from the keyboard for a few.... Wow!!!! When I ran on the Avon radials I kept the pressure towards the recommended side wall posted pressures. I still had this issue. I don't ride like Mike, I don't put a blend of slab with twisties on my tires. The Crest is 2 miles from my driveway and when I need a quick fix when I "Jonesing" I make the 60 mile round trip to Newcomb's Ranch and back. Other rides go longer but I really spend more time leaned over than upright...

I will run my new front at 38psi and my nearly new rear at 40psi  and report back like Frank offered. And if Baldy thinks I am a fat bastard, he can make the next WCR and tell me in person. I am guessing I will be a few pounds lighter than he was during his last visit. But he has more to loose so I might be wrong on that side of things. Growing old as disgracefully as I can. I feel the love Doug...
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: baldy3853 on October 20, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
Mark
lol way things are going may not make next years rally, with Randy coming here for ours may not have the leave up my sleeve to do it justice, which would be disappointing, oh and by the way you better get on the tread mill I'm down 8lb under the 100kgs  :empathy3:
Baldy
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: FJmonkey on October 20, 2013, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: baldy3853 on October 20, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
Mark
lol way things are going may not make next years rally, with Randy coming here for ours may not have the leave up my sleeve to do it justice, which would be disappointing, oh and by the way you better get on the tread mill I'm down 8lb under the 100kgs  :empathy3:
Baldy
Fair enough, perhaps I can jump the pond and join me mates for a good rousing round of "Waltzing Matilda" while having some good XXXX or other beer on tap. 
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: baldy3853 on October 20, 2013, 10:55:41 PM
if not y not lol :yahoo:
Title: Re: Scuffed in a new front tire
Post by: The General on October 21, 2013, 12:44:25 AM
Quote from: FJmonkey on October 20, 2013, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: baldy3853 on October 20, 2013, 10:22:57 PM
Mark
lol way things are going may not make next years rally, which would be disappointing, oh and by the way you better get on the tread mill I'm down 8lb under the 100kgs  :empathy3:
Baldy
Fair enough, perhaps I can jump the pond and join me mates for a good rousing round of "Waltzing Matilda" while having some good XXXX or other beer on tap. 
Mate, It`s called Kosciosko Pale Ale, majic stuff and it`s exclusive to The Banjo Patterson in Jindabyne!
Just looked up the word "Perhaps" with lickapenia and it means "Maybe"!  :yahoo:
(P.S. If Baldy is carrying his helmet at Brisbane airport don`t attempt to shake his hand as a welcoming gesture...unless he`s finally bought new pants and a belt that works...npaa!)  :drinks: