Hi guys.
The last couple of rides i've done i have noticed some oil recidue on my left boot after i did the oil change. Not much but enugh to get me start looking for leaks.
I did examen the spin on adapter and filter and cant se any obviuous leaks, so i do think its some left overs from spillage i had when mounting the filter.
What i did find was that my oil filter has a dent on it. Have no idea on how it got there, but could the bike still be ridden with this dent? The filter casing has not been broken or anything like that. Just slightly prest in. Looks like a shaft from a spenner or something.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/2912_01_10_13_1_08_13.jpeg)
Does the toe of your boot fit into the dent? :wacko1: :wacko1:
The dent is not big enough to be a problem for oil flow, your filter will work properly. Think about how the spin-on filter works. You have a filter inside it that looks a lot like the OEM filters you use to install. Now there is this metal can around it keeping the oil in. Oil flows from the engine in between the can and the outside of the filter. The pressure forces the oil to pass through the filter into the center where it drains back to the engine. A dent that small is not going affect oil flow enough, your engine won't notice it. By the way, does the toe of your boot fit? :shok:
Ken, I am not sure, but if I think I read the correctly you used a belt/strap type oil filter wrench to install the filter; correct?
If so you do not need to do that, it does not need to be that tight. You should tighten until it seats the gasket seal and then hand tighten another 3/4 of a turn; the illustration instructions are on the filter between the brand name and the part number.
There is no issue using the filter the way it is, but in the future, it does not need to be that tight.
Randy - RPM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 01, 2013, 06:11:20 PM
Ken, I am not sure, but if I think I read the correctly you used a belt/strap type oil filter wrench to install the filter; correct?
If so you do not need to do that, it does not need to be that tight. You should tighten until it seats the gasket seal and then hand tighten another 3/4 of a turn; the illustration instructions are on the filter between the brand name and the part number.
There is no issue using the filter the way it is, but in the future, it does not need to be that tight.
Randy - RPM
Hi Randy.
No, the filter is just tightend by hand. If i had a belt type wrench it would b easy to find out caouse of this. :yes:
Im guess my big toe stept on the filter or something whiles on the ground before i installed it. :scratch_one-s_head:
I guess my toe would fit :rofl: at least with my boot on... Big guy big feet. I might upload a new xray pic of it. God knows what would be shown on that pic. :rofl2:
I dunno man I would get that filter off there..i see a spot looks like the paint is worn off maybe from friction? make sure the new filter is ..uhh.. not damaged upon installation. then keep check if the dent reappears in the new filter you got a problem with your engine mounting.. looks suspicious there like the filter is making contact with the sidestand spring ??
Quote from: TRoy on October 01, 2013, 09:04:35 PM
I dunno man I would get that filter off there..i see a spot looks like the paint is worn off maybe from friction? make sure the new filter is ..uhh.. not damaged upon installation. then keep check if the dent reappears in the new filter you got a problem with your engine mounting.. looks suspicious there like the filter is making contact with the sidestand spring ??
:rofl2: :rofl2: :rofl2:
Do you remember hitting anything in the road? Rock, stick kicked up by the front wheel, etc.............
The impact of a rock or stick at speed could spin your filter............I had a Jeep buddy that contacted a rock while trail running, and spun the filter enough that it started spewing oil from the gasket surface. Luckily it didn't puncture the can, and he just spun it back into place until he got home........
The dent doesn't look deep enough to contact or push on the filter media center............If you are worried about it, just get another filter and change it. should only need to add less than a half quart of oil back in......As cheap as these oil filters are, give yourself peace of mind...........
Dont know of if i have hit something, but there might bee a possebility for that. Been riding quite hard last couple of days and a lot og highway riding. The other day there was a lot of debris in the road from an accident perhaps its from there.
Will change the filter this weekend if it dosent caouse any problem today. Try not to stick my toe into the new filter :rofl:
I finally found the source to my oil leak.
It was the seal underneath the oilpump cover which has been pinched or not properly put in.
:good2:
So, the leak has been found, how about the source of the dent?
I cannot see a way that you could have cause that dent with your boot...
Randy - RPM
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 05, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
So, the leak has been found, how about the source of the dent?
I cannot see a way that you could have cause that dent with your boot...
Randy - RPM
Well one things for sure, there is no way my foot can reach that spot so i belive the dent have to been mead prior to instalment.
Have been orginizing and moving stuff around the garage a lot lately so its highly possible something heavy has been layed on top of the filter. The only thing that dosent seem to add up is that i should have noticed the dent before i installed the filter. :unknown:
I just recently toured the WIX facility in NC (I sell WIX filters) and they were pretty clear any dented filter,no matter how big,should be thrown away or returned before installation.
To prove this to us,they put a ding in a filter and installed it on a test machine and pulsed it at 60 psi and down and I was surprised how much the metal moved at the dinged area.
After seeing that,I would replace it immediately.
Quote from: tory on October 12, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
I just recently toured the WIX facility in NC (I sell WIX filters) and they were pretty clear any dented filter,no matter how big,should be thrown away or returned before installation.
To prove this to us,they put a ding in a filter and installed it on a test machine and pulsed it at 60 psi and down and I was surprised how much the metal moved at the dinged area.
After seeing that,I would replace it immediately.
60 psi eh? Randy what are the max oil pressures produced by the FJ engine? I understand that flex can cause fatigue failures, modern jets suffer from this as they fly and pressurize and depressurize.
Quote from: FJmonkey on October 12, 2013, 09:25:52 PM
Quote from: tory on October 12, 2013, 05:15:17 PM
I just recently toured the WIX facility in NC (I sell WIX filters) and they were pretty clear any dented filter,no matter how big,should be thrown away or returned before installation.
To prove this to us,they put a ding in a filter and installed it on a test machine and pulsed it at 60 psi and down and I was surprised how much the metal moved at the dinged area.
After seeing that,I would replace it immediately.
60 psi eh? Randy what are the max oil pressures produced by the FJ engine? I understand that flex can cause fatigue failures, modern jets suffer from this as they fly and pressurize and depressurize.
But those planes are rated for tens of thousands of compression/decompression cycles.
However, when the limits are exceeded, it can be catastrophic:
http://as.wm.edu/Faculty/Hinders/aloha.html (http://as.wm.edu/Faculty/Hinders/aloha.html)
How much does one of those filters cost?
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 05, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
So, the leak has been found, how about the source of the dent?
I cannot see a way that you could have cause that dent with your boot...
Randy - RPM
Been rather busy with work lately so i haven't had much spare time. But i have today and thought ill post some puctures form my oil leak.
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/2912_15_11_13_12_08_32_2.jpeg)
Obviuous those seals dont last forever :)
(http://fjowners.com/gallery/6/2912_15_11_13_12_08_29_1.jpeg)
Cheers
Ken
Always like the easy fix's :). Last time I was in that area I threw those JIS screws in the trash and put 2 S.S. allen head screws with lock washers in. And did the 4 degree advance (actually it was 8 degrees, but since have pulled it back to about 4 degrees).
George
2ss allen head you say? Hmm... might just replace them next time im in there :good2:
Quote from: keand3 on November 15, 2013, 01:33:15 AM
2ss allen head you say? Hmm... might just replace them next time im in there :good2:
I just hate those JIS screws...
George
That dent doesn't make any sense secondary to where it is. Crank seals do last "forever" based on my experience with SOHC Honda CB's. Oil pressure is about 75lbs cold with 20-50W oil. Replace the filter and forget this ever happened.
Quote from: JMR on November 15, 2013, 07:00:23 AM
That dent doesn't make any sense secondary to where it is. Crank seals do last "forever" based on my experience with SOHC Honda CB's. Oil pressure is about 75lbs cold with 20-50W oil. Replace the filter and forget this ever happened.
Yup, that dent has had me puzzeled ever since it was discoverd, but it did work fine still with dent. But i replaced it never the less.. :)
Well, that crankseal was obvuiosly of old age and made the oil slip out when the pressure got high enugh. From the looks of it, the seal was pretty worn out so guess its one of the more lasting seals on the bike.
The old seal also have the "lip/edge" which the new one has not. Im guessing its a improved design to avoid the lip to fracture over time...?
Cheers
Ken
The lip is not a sealing feature, it helped during the assembly process.
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 15, 2013, 03:25:48 PM
The lip is not a sealing feature, it helped during the assembly process.
Ahh... :good:
But why hasent the new seal this lip then?
Don't need it, it was a factory thing...
Quote from: keand3 on November 15, 2013, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 15, 2013, 03:25:48 PM
The lip is not a sealing feature, it helped during the assembly process.
Ahh... :good:
But why hasent the new seal this lip then?
Because then you'd have to split the cases to get it in there. :unknown:
Quote from: not a lib on November 15, 2013, 03:50:56 PM
Quote from: keand3 on November 15, 2013, 03:29:18 PM
Quote from: FJmonkey on November 15, 2013, 03:25:48 PM
The lip is not a sealing feature, it helped during the assembly process.
Ahh... :good:
But why hasent the new seal this lip then?
Because then you'd have to split the cases to get it in there. :unknown:
Ahh, i'll see :good2:
Quote from: racerrad8 on October 05, 2013, 08:09:23 PM
how about the source of the dent?
yea... what he said :drinks: