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Title: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: DR.GTS.DUCATI.FAZER Dave on September 29, 2013, 12:00:13 PM
Advance Auto parts carries Fuel Injection hose in several sizes that are Ethanol fuel tolerant. see the link below:

http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PartSearchCmd?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&pageId=partTypeList&suggestion=&actionSrc=Form&langId=-1&searchTerm=fuel+injection+hose&vehicleIdSearch=-1&searchedFrom=header (http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/PartSearchCmd?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&pageId=partTypeList&suggestion=&actionSrc=Form&langId=-1&searchTerm=fuel+injection+hose&vehicleIdSearch=-1&searchedFrom=header)

Meets the SAE J30R9 Specification
Title: Re: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: Pat Conlon on September 29, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
Thanks Dave, I saw this in your intro. post. I gotta ask, what prompted the question?

I do not know of any FJ's running E85..... Is this ment for the E10 or E15 fuel blends we have commonly here in Kalif (don't get me started :dash2:)

I guess what I'm asking is, do we need to concern ourselves with using our traditional (oem) fuel lines with the E10/15 blends?
Title: Re: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: movenon on September 29, 2013, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 29, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
Thanks Dave, I saw this in your intro. post. I gotta ask, what prompted the question?

I do not know of any FJ's running E85..... Is this ment for the E10 or E15 fuel blends we have commonly here in Kalif (don't get me started :dash2:)

I guess what I'm asking is, do we need to concern ourselves with using our traditional (oem) fuel lines with the E10/15 blends?

Kind of what I am thinking. A question I ask myself is how many problems have been reported due to bad fuel line not caused by old age. If there were soft or rotted lines showing up someone here or in other forums would have been reporting it. Is there an abnormal amount of fuel pump diaphragms failing ?

George
Title: Re: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: DR.GTS.DUCATI.FAZER Dave on September 29, 2013, 03:19:05 PM
Quote from: movenon on September 29, 2013, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Conlon on September 29, 2013, 12:28:40 PM
Thanks Dave, I saw this in your intro. post. I gotta ask, what prompted the question?

I do not know of any FJ's running E85..... Is this ment for the E10 or E15 fuel blends we have commonly here in Kalif (don't get me started :dash2:)

I guess what I'm asking is, do we need to concern ourselves with using our traditional (oem) fuel lines with the E10/15 blends?

Kind of what I am thinking. A question I ask myself is how many problems have been reported due to bad fuel line not caused by old age. If there were soft or rotted lines showing up someone here or in other forums would have been reporting it. Is there an abnormal amount of fuel pump diaphragms failing ?


Response,

At the Fall Tellico Rally, Jack the AMA racer, I know not his last name or user name here, but we discussed the issue of Ethanol on the fuel and crapping up the carbs.

He has an FJ as do others who are experiencing issues they attribute the the politically correct 10% fuel.  Personally, my FJ, an '85, had fuel lines which literally ruptured every 6 months. A softening I attributed to the fuel. My issues were in the 80's and 90's but persisted the whole time I owned the bike. At the time, I could not find fuel lines at the local stores that were capable of surviving. Now, I have been using the lines identified in the link and not had a recurring issue.  I have used it on my Ducati, Fazer, Buell and several cars with no issues.

Title: Re: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: movenon on September 29, 2013, 09:49:34 PM
My lines are fuel line rated from NAPA and been running with no problem. I have been involved with street rods and carbs for years and have never had a fuel line fail due to the material.
Yes ethanol is a water magnet and crappy fuel. Doesn't store well. I use Star Tron fuel additive to help with the alcohol. Here is a link. Most Wal Marts have it on the shelf usually around the boat supply area. Worth a read anyhow.  http://mystarbrite.com/startron/ (http://mystarbrite.com/startron/).
I use to use it only during the winter but now I use it pretty consitantly during the riding season. Its a standard item in my tank bag.

A rated fuel line failing every six months certainly is not normal. Are you sure it was rated fuel line or just hose ?
George

Title: Re: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: DR.GTS.DUCATI.FAZER Dave on September 30, 2013, 07:16:07 AM
The days of failing lines is so far in my history I could not remember without a hypnotist. However, Jack and the others having the issue so I simply provided what I now know to be reliable for me.

Dave
Title: Re: Ethanol tolerant fuel lines
Post by: movenon on September 30, 2013, 11:37:54 AM
Quote from: DR.GTS.DUCATI.FAZER Dave on September 30, 2013, 07:16:07 AM
The days of failing lines is so far in my history I could not remember without a hypnotist. However, Jack and the others having the issue so I simply provided what I now know to be reliable for me.

Dave

Please don't get me wrong Dave your information is good and is something to keep in your mind when comes to working in the fuel system. As I am a very big proponent of doing our own maintenance as much as we can the more data and information that gets out there is good.

Owing that we only need a few feet of fuel line and that it is directly over a hot engine and any dripping fuel on the road can grossly effect your rear wheel traction then buying the best fuel rated line (meets SAE 30R6 or 30R7) is probably money well spent and fuel line inspection should be on the yearly inspection list.
George