I am looking for a direct bolt on upgrade of brake rotors and pads for my 1984 FJ 1100 does anyone have a reccommendation? Also, any opinions on the Pirellii Sport Demon Tires?
Quote from: Cboy1100 on September 10, 2013, 05:47:59 AM
I am looking for a direct bolt on upgrade of brake rotors and pads for my 1984 FJ 1100 does anyone have a reccommendation? Also, any opinions on the Pirellii Sport Demon Tires?
There are new rotors on ebay between $150-$200 / pair.
EBC HH pads will make a big difference. They are the grippiest pads you can get. Widely used and endorsed by members here. Although just replacing discs and pads is not really an "upgrade"
If you REALLY want a brake upgrade you need later model forks, 17" wheel, R1 or similar calipers, braided steel lines, EBC HH pads and adjustable 14mm M/C. This is one of the most popular mods here. All direct bolt on, second hand parts readily available. Not that expensive.
The FJ already goes, this makes it stop.
If you are talking 16" wheels, you don't have a lot of choice. The Pirelli's are probably as good as any.
Noel
Quote from: Cboy1100 on September 10, 2013, 05:47:59 AM
I am looking for a direct bolt on upgrade of brake rotors and pads for my 1984 FJ 1100 does anyone have a reccommendation? Also, any opinions on the Pirellii Sport Demon Tires?
Cboy1100,
Can't help with brakes, but I just replaced my old hard-as-a-rock Metzler Match tires with Sport Demons. I should have done that a
long time ago. The Pirellis are very much better in turning and braking; they made a world of difference in my bike's handling. I hear that you can wear them out in 5000+ miles, but I don't ride hard unless I'm 'way out of town. So I prefer the good handling, over miles-per-tire. Most important to me, I can stop far shorter than before, and without locking up the rear wheel. On 16" wheels, you really do not have many choices in tires, so my experience is limited to just those two brands, but the Pirellis sure feel good to me. Google can find lots of reviews for the Sport Demons, so see what others say as well, but it does no good if people compare them to tires that are not available in the 16" sizes for you.
Cheers,
Red
Red, just so you know, Avon AV45/46 front/rear combo are also in 16" and they are radials. I ran on them before I upgraded to 17". You won't get any more miles out of them but they are one more option for you.
Here is a set of replacement front rotors. The diameter of the rotors is a misprint in the add, should say 282mm.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-FJ-1100-Front-Brake-Rotor-Disc-Pro-Factory-Braking-1983-1987-2-Rotors-/280996083985?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416cabf911&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/YAMAHA-FJ-1100-Front-Brake-Rotor-Disc-Pro-Factory-Braking-1983-1987-2-Rotors-/280996083985?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item416cabf911&vxp=mtr)
I am not affiliated with this sale.
Fred
Quote from: FJmonkey on September 10, 2013, 06:47:57 AM
Red, just so you know, Avon AV45/46 front/rear combo are also in 16" and they are radials. I ran on them before I upgraded to 17". You won't get any more miles out of them but they are one more option for you.
FJmonkey,
Thanks. Yeah, I did look at the Avons, and thought they looked equal or maybe better than the Pirellis, at least by the reviews that I found. Since my suspension is all stock, it seemed wiser to me to go with the bias-plies, since Yamaha designed the bike for bias-ply tires. Upgrades to the suspension now would cost me more than I paid for the bike, and money is tight, here. I'm really happy with the Sport Demons, and I think a lot of expensive upgrades would not make me
that much happier, dollar-for-dollar.
Cheers,
Red
Red:
Regarding the tires...
I don't think that you need to gravitate towards bias-ply tires because of your stock suspension. You're only limiting yourself further in your choices. I've been running radials on bikes from the bias-ply era, and they work fine, if not better.
I have no experience with the Avon Azzaros, but I am running the Avon Roadriders on one FJ, and the Sport Demons on the other FJ. I'm very happy with Roadriders, and they (in my humble opinion) are comparable to the Sport Demons.
One thing I know for sure, stay away from the Bridgestone BT-045's. They are marginally okay in the dry, but downright scary when the pavement is wet. I took a set off way before there time. When the Service Manager asked me if I wanted back after the new Roadriders were installed, he looked at me funny when I said they could have them.
Good luck!
Marty
Quote from: red on September 10, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
Thanks. Yeah, I did look at the Avons, and thought they looked equal or maybe better than the Pirellis, at least by the reviews that I found. Since my suspension is all stock, it seemed wiser to me to go with the bias-plies, since Yamaha designed the bike for bias-ply tires. Upgrades to the suspension now would cost me more than I paid for the bike, and money is tight, here.
Let me ask this question before Noel does.
I've seen this mentioned several times but it have a hard time believing it.
Which design parameters did the engineers at Yamaha tailor specifically for bias ply tires?
Chassis geometry? Suspension components? Brake components? I can't think of anything I'd need to change if I swapped tire types.
Personally, I think they used the best components they could to make the bike perform and still be affordable. When they got around to it, there were only bias ply tires available, so that's what they used. Although I do recall a very old discussion about Yamaha contracting Bridgestone (or someone) to make a tire specifically for the FJ.
Yep, in the development of the FJ, Yamaha needed a set of 16" V rated (150mph) tires, so Bridgestone was the oem choice.
I recall that there were not a lot of choices for V rated street tires back then.
If you think about it, a bias ply donut V rated for 150mph, it was pretty impressive.
Tire technology has come a long way since then...thank God.
Quote from: FJ1100mjk on September 10, 2013, 11:01:45 AMRed:
Regarding the tires... I don't think that you need to gravitate towards bias-ply tires because of your stock suspension. You're only limiting yourself further in your choices. I've been running radials on bikes from the bias-ply era, and they work fine, if not better.
I have no experience with the Avon Azzaros, but I am running the Avon Roadriders on one FJ, and the Sport Demons on the other FJ. I'm very happy with Roadriders, and they (in my humble opinion) are comparable to the Sport Demons.
Marty
Marty,
Cboy1100 asked about the Pirellis, and I do like them. My old tires weren't half as good as these Sport Demons.
I will be checking out the Avons, next time around, so I appreciate your advice. There's a lot for me to learn, here.
Cheers,
Red
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 10, 2013, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: red on September 10, 2013, 08:17:43 AM
Thanks. Yeah, I did look at the Avons, and thought they looked equal or maybe better than the Pirellis, at least by the reviews that I found. Since my suspension is all stock, it seemed wiser to me to go with the bias-plies, since Yamaha designed the bike for bias-ply tires. Upgrades to the suspension now would cost me more than I paid for the bike, and money is tight, here.
Let me ask this question before Noel does.
I've seen this mentioned several times but it have a hard time believing it.
Which design parameters did the engineers at Yamaha tailor specifically for bias ply tires?
Chassis geometry? Suspension components? Brake components? I can't think of anything I'd need to change if I swapped tire types.
Personally, I think they used the best components they could to make the bike perform and still be affordable. When they got around to it, there were only bias ply tires available, so that's what they used. Although I do recall a very old discussion about Yamaha contracting Bridgestone (or someone) to make a tire specifically for the FJ.
I posted this opinion months ago
When Michelin M/A59X and Pirelli MP7 appeared, the first radial tyres, these brands had in mind the Yamaha FJ 1100 and the production races around the world. 1100s ate byas-ply tires, becase these didn´t support the power and weight of the FJS on races
All that era tests spoken about the "new" FJ with radial tyres
The bike was not designed to mount bias-ply. Its an error or a myth. There were no other tyres when the bike was designed, completely different issue
With OE rims fit radials, Avon or new ContiAttack. These new tyres are fantastic
Quote from: FJ_Hooligan on September 10, 2013, 11:25:24 AM
Let me ask this question before Noel does.
Ha Ha, while the same thought briefly ran through my mind I was not even remotely tempted to comment. It becomes apparent over time that some things just aren't worth commenting on any more.
Noel
As fjmonkey said , upgrade the front end and fit late model brakes ect,, but for direct bolt on calipers , if you can find them , fzr400 rr calipers will fit ,, or if you want adapter plates can be found on ebay and blue spot clipers can be used
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I posted this opinion months ago
When Michelin M/A59X and Pirelli MP7 appeared, the first radial tyres, these brands had in mind the Yamaha FJ 1100 and the production races around the world. 1100s ate byas-ply tires, becase these didn´t support the power and weight of the FJS on races
All that era tests spoken about the "new" FJ with radial tyres
The bike was not designed to mount bias-ply. Its an error or a myth. There were no other tyres when the bike was designed, completely different issue
With OE rims fit radials, Avon or new ContiAttack. These new tyres are fantastic
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Again
(http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m589/fj1200alf/MichelinRadial.jpg) (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/fj1200alf/media/MichelinRadial.jpg.html)
Quote from: Alf on September 11, 2013, 03:17:52 AM
(http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m589/fj1200alf/MichelinRadial.jpg) (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/fj1200alf/media/MichelinRadial.jpg.html)
Who could argue with that!
Si. :good2:
When you ride that the 1200 dominate the 1100, be present that most of the 1100s that came to Spain were limited
Mine, bought in UK, give 118 rear wheel hp completely STD in a Dyno and the firts tests is Spain gave 115-125. 1 year after, never again was recorded more than 95 hps
Quote from: Alf on September 11, 2013, 07:45:58 AM
When you ride that the 1200 dominate the 1100, be present that most of the 1100s that came to Spain were limited
Mine, bought in UK, give 118 rear wheel hp completely STD in a Dyno and the firts tests is Spain gave 115-125. 1 year after, never again was recorded more than 95 hps
Alf, to what do you attribute the extra power?
When I sold my 1100 (moded by then and powering 128 hp at the rear wheel) and bought my 1st 1200 I had in mind that mag test, that now I enclosed the horsepower table. In fact I thought that it was due to the correction factor on the Dyno, and I believed that I improved buying my 1st 3CV
(http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m589/fj1200alf/1100vs1200_zps850f724a.jpg) (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/fj1200alf/media/1100vs1200_zps850f724a.jpg.html)
Well, I was completely devastated and I sold only 18 months after and with only 44.000 kms. Another thing were if the mag would have included the 1st FJ 1100
(http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m589/fj1200alf/1100cv_zpsca2a1092.jpg) (http://s1133.photobucket.com/user/fj1200alf/media/1100cv_zpsca2a1092.jpg.html)
there various opinions about this issue. It was spoken that the 2nd year the 1100s were imported from France, limited to 100 hp or that Yamaha "prepared" the 1st 1100 test bikes... In Spain the 1st serie blue ones were looked for because these always had more horsepower... It was said too that Yamaha limited the 1100 richening the mixture to avoid overheating in South Europe countries...
Well, I´ve always maintained that 1100 are faster... because MINE were a lot of FASTER and because of the numbers don´t lie...
Take a 2nd look at the 1100 horsepower chart: 125,03 REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER
Quote from: Alf on September 11, 2013, 08:51:04 AM
Take a 2nd look at the 1100 horsepower chart: 125,03 REAR WHEEL HORSEPOWER
Alf, I'm not disputing what you say. I just wanted to know
what made the 1100's more powerful.
Noel
Good question noel, id like to know also :good2:
Alf, I'm not disputing what you say. I just wanted to know what made the 1100's more powerful.
Noel
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I know, I know.... but like I said before, I don´t know. The fact is the 1100 need more fuel (125 mains) with the same carbs and airbox volume and less ccs. It could be is less restricted. I´ve only got the similar hungry for the redline in 1200s after carefully carb tuning (including float heigh measure), and getting airbox intake & exhaust free flowing... but the 1100 fast acceleration was STD!!!
My theory?. the crank was lighter... I know, I know, Yamaha specifies the same crank for all FJs... but we don´t know if the materials have changed to a more economic ones
Why have this theory?. Well, I´ve tested a 1200 3CV with its OE engine and a 3XW inside. And the vibrating less 3XW is not only for the grommets chassis hybrid. The bike feel sweet & and softer with the 3XW straigh on, and it only can be due to a more efficient (and heavy) 3XW crank... even with the same Yamaha PN
Another bike with in theory the same specs in 2 years and different performance was the FZR 1000. 87 models were the most powerful, with around 115 hp at the rear wheel. 88 models had more torque and less power, around 100 hps. The only explanation is a heavy crank
I've had my FJ1100 for less than a week, but was wondering about this myself. I came across a site that sell adaptor plates for the first-gen V-Max that may work. (There are actually a lot of places selling adaptor kits for that bike.)
This kit gives you 'busa 6p calipers, but you need to purchase larger rotors and a master, too.
http://www.morleysmuscle.com/muscle-bikes/vmax/brakes (http://www.morleysmuscle.com/muscle-bikes/vmax/brakes)
Unfortunately, my bike will need some carb work before I experiment with anything like this... :blush:
CR
Sounds like you're trying to spend a LOT of money to fix something that's not necessarily broke.
If your calipers are trash, then maybe you need to replace them rather than rebuilding (rebuild kits are expensive).
HOWEVER, if everything is in good working order, you might want to try a set of new pads.
Good quality pads can really improve braking performance. More pistons are not always the best answer to improved braking.
Try a set of FERODO pads or some HH pads first.
1100 or 1TXs 1200 brakes are fantastic with the OE pads (Sumimoto) and a Nissin master cylinder from a Fazer 600/1000 (Brembo masters fitted on 2002 on models are not so good).
Quote from: Alf on September 24, 2013, 01:49:36 AM
1100 or 1TXs 1200 brakes are fantastic with the OE pads (Sumimoto) and a Nissin master cylinder from a Fazer 600/1000 (Brembo masters fitted on 2002 on models are not so good).
Alf, I'm surprised you recommend the standard pads, have you ever tried the EBC HH pads?
Hola, Noel amigo
In around 500.000 kms riding FJs I think I´ve tested each brake pad in the market with different discs, masters and callipers :wacko1:
And I´m fortunate because regularly I ride other FJs (and other bikes) apart of my actual 3CV, so I have different bikes to reset myself
EBC pads are very good... with EBC discs. If not, you have a wooden feel at the lever that I dislike. Well, the "feeling" is a very personal issue, but with OE pads and Nissin master braking is near the same that mine with gold R1 callipers, and it is to say a lot! (I ride a 1TX a lot of times)
Much better are Goldfren HH pads, but I´ve not recommended to 1100 and 1200s 1TX owners because I´ve not tested myself with the OE disc. These are the next pads to fit in my friend Mingo 1TX, so wait...
In my CBX 750 (similar disc compound) work superb, much better than the previous Ferodo HH
Quote from: Cboy1100 on September 10, 2013, 05:47:59 AM
I am looking for a direct bolt on upgrade of brake rotors and pads for my 1984 FJ 1100 does anyone have a reccommendation? Also, any opinions on the Pirellii Sport Demon Tires?
I have Sport Demons on my 84 and have no real complaints. I replaced the rear when I bought the bike and have just over 3000 miles on it already with no noticeable wear. My only issue is that the front is too skinny and tends to wander more than I care for if you run over a concrete center line or seam patch in the road.
Quote from: Paul1965 on September 24, 2013, 04:25:25 PM
I have Sport Demons on my 84 and have no real complaints. I replaced the rear when I bought the bike and have just over 3000 miles on it already with no noticeable wear. My only issue is that the front is too skinny and tends to wander more than I care for if you run over a concrete center line or seam patch in the road.
Paul, if you have a 120 on the front you might have a different issue. Contrary to OEM info, the modern 120MM width is for 3.5" wheels. You might get better results with a 110MM wide front.... It was described once as cold custard in an old sock.... Pinch the front and you reduce the contact patch....
Quote from: FJmonkey on September 24, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Paul1965 on September 24, 2013, 04:25:25 PM
I have Sport Demons on my 84 and have no real complaints. I replaced the rear when I bought the bike and have just over 3000 miles on it already with no noticeable wear. My only issue is that the front is too skinny and tends to wander more than I care for if you run over a concrete center line or seam patch in the road.
Paul, if you have a 120 on the front you might have a different issue. Contrary to OEM info, the modern 120MM width is for 3.5" wheels. You might get better results with a 110MM wide front.... It was described once as cold custard in an old sock.... Pinch the front and you reduce the contact patch....
I have been told the same thing about using a 110 tire on the stock 3" front wheel.
Fred
Quote from: FJmonkey on September 24, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
Quote from: Paul1965 on September 24, 2013, 04:25:25 PM
I have Sport Demons on my 84 and have no real complaints. I replaced the rear when I bought the bike and have just over 3000 miles on it already with no noticeable wear. My only issue is that the front is too skinny and tends to wander more than I care for if you run over a concrete center line or seam patch in the road.
Paul, if you have a 120 on the front you might have a different issue. Contrary to OEM info, the modern 120MM width is for 3.5" wheels. You might get better results with a 110MM wide front.... It was described once as cold custard in an old sock.... Pinch the front and you reduce the contact patch....
Good info FJmonkey, I'll have to double check the front tire. Even though there's a slight bit of dry rot on the sidewalls, it had good enough tread that I didn't pay much attention to it when I bought the bike.
Here is a 110/90-16 Pirelli that should work.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pirelli-Sport-Demon-59V-Front-Motorcycle-Tire-110-90V16-/251084630120?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a75cf6868&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pirelli-Sport-Demon-59V-Front-Motorcycle-Tire-110-90V16-/251084630120?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a75cf6868&vxp=mtr)
Fred